Ireland politics (Part 1)

[Mark_Renton]

@artfoley

Who’s alana and what constituency does she represent?

:rolleyes:

[Blake]

@maroonandwhite

No harm. His loyalty lay with big business and the law library, he was throwing passports out like confetti too. Any chance a minister for justice whos not a pompous ‘legal eagle?’ Fitzgerald never comes across well on tv.

Are you serious? Shatter was the most hated and vilified man in the Law Library, he sought to remove the hegemony the Law Library had over the legal system via the Legal Services Bill.

Also, while Shatter was pompous and egotistical, that’s not to say anyone else in the legal industry who would replace him would be the same personality wise. Except for finance, it is the one ministry that requires a background in the area to do well.

[Blake]

The one person who will be seething tonight will be Lucinda Creighton. If she had held her fire and stayed on the government benches for the sake of her “morals”, she’d be a certainty to get the gig and probably retain it after the reshuffle

[maroonandwhite]

[QUOTE=“Blake, post: 941700, member: 1755”]Are you serious? Shatter was the most hated and vilified man in the Law Library, he sought to remove the hegemony the Law Library had over the legal system via the Legal Services Bill.

Also, while Shatter was pompous and egotistical, that’s not to say anyone else in the legal industry who would replace him would be the same personality wise. Except for finance, it is the one ministry that requires a background in the area to do well.[/QUOTE]

And how did that legal services bill work out? Stalled for years by shatter tinkering with it in an effort to create more jobs for the boys. While im sure theres many solicitors who dont live in ivory towers and would do the job barristers are so removed from reality they should never be let near public office. Both groups have a generally warped view due to their training based entirely on settleing arguments over minute legal principles and little holistic application of natural justice.

[Blake]

@maroonandwhite

And how did that legal services bill work out? Stalled for years by shatter tinkering with it in an effort to create more jobs for the boys. While im sure theres many solicitors who dont live in ivory towers and would do the job barristers are so removed from reality they should never be let near public office. Both groups have a generally warped view due to their training based entirely on settleing arguments over minute legal principles and little holistic application of natural justice.

I never commented on the success or failings of the Legal Services Bill, I was pointing out the fact that Shatter is hated in the Law Library and to suggest he was loyal to those in it was mad.

[artfoley]

@Blake

The one person who will be seething tonight will be Lucinda Creighton. If she had held her fire and stayed on the government benches for the sake of her “morals”, she’d be a certainty to get the gig and probably retain it after the reshuffle

Iirc, she has never practised as a barrister. Then again given some of her pronouncements on things she may be more qualified as a barista.

Maybe @farmerinthecity can test her intelligence by emailling her a question about american geography

[Manuel_Zelaya]

@Blake

The one person who will be seething tonight will be Lucinda Creighton. If she had held her fire and stayed on the government benches for the sake of her “morals”, she’d be a certainty to get the gig and probably retain it after the reshuffle

Hardly. Creighton well and truly burned her bridges with Kenny as one of the main plotters in the heave against him. One thing giving her that European junior gig, she wouldn’t have been within an asses roar of cabinet yet alone Justice.

[maroonandwhite]

@Blake

I never commented on the success or failings of the Legal Services Bill, I was pointing out the fact that Shatter is hated in the Law Library and to suggest he was loyal to those in it was mad.

But the bill was of course a ball of smoke so the reform the legal system desperately needs never happened. The law library was disgusted that such a move might even be considered of course. And my point that legal professionals are not fit to make decisions on public policy?

[Blake]

@Manuel Zelaya

Hardly. Creighton well and truly burned her bridges with Kenny as one of the main plotters in the heave against him. One thing giving her that European junior gig, she wouldn’t have been within an asses roar of cabinet yet alone Justice.

I disagree, she was making strides within the party. The period of punishment for those who went against Kenny is ending, as will be evidenced in the reshuffle with Coveney and Varadkar getting top tier jobs and Lucinda would’ve benefited to the same extent if she was still around. Holding a junior ministry isn’t a bar to becoming a minister either, sure Alex White is almost nailed on to take Ruairi Quinn’s job in the reshuffle

[Manuel_Zelaya]

@Blake

I disagree, she was making strides within the party. The period of punishment for those who went against Kenny is ending, as will be evidenced in the reshuffle with Coveney and Varadkar getting top tier jobs and Lucinda would’ve benefited to the same extent if she was still around. Holding a junior ministry isn’t a bar to becoming a minister either, sure Alex White is almost nailed on to take Ruairi Quinn’s job in the reshuffle

Its one thing going from a junior to one of the softer ministerial gigs like Education. At 33, you don’t go from Junior to Justice, which is one of the plum postings. Whatever about other plotters, Kenny never got on with Creighton and she was going nowhere with Kenny as leader. She’s a loose cannon in any case with little or no political smarts. I would expect Coveney to get Justice. He’s done well in Agriculture, but again its a soft posting so time for him to prove himself.

[Blake]

@maroonandwhite

But the bill was of course a ball of smoke so the reform the legal system desperately needs never happened. The law library was disgusted that such a move might even be considered of course. And my point that legal professionals are not fit to make decisions on public policy?

[Mac]

[QUOTE=“myboyblue, post: 941663, member: 180”]Charlie has gone from 14/1 in an hour

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10174900_507933579318316_6881097267853193345_n.jpg[/QUOTE]

Paul Kehoe at 20/1?

[Bandage]

@Mac

Paul Kehoe at 20/1?

Scary.

[tallback]

Absolute mad stuff on PrimeTime at the moment outlining some of the cases the whistleblower brought to the attention of the minister (who ignored), dept of justice (who ignored), garda commissioner (who ignored) etc etc.

Something seriously rotten in the gardai.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

[QUOTE=“tallback, post: 941851, member: 1158”]Absolute mad stuff on PrimeTime at the moment outlining some of the cases the whistleblower brought to the attention of the minister (who ignored), dept of justice (who ignored), garda commissioner (who ignored) etc etc.

Something seriously rotten in the gardai.[/QUOTE]

hey diddle diddle

[corner_back]

Agreed. A few resignations/sackings due in the Cavan/Monaghan division of the gardai should result but won’t.

[farmerinthecity]

The worst thing of this whole resignation of that smug prick Shatter is that an utter fraud such as Mick Wallace is looking good.

[Mac]

@farmerinthecity

The worst thing of this whole resignation of that smug prick Shatter is that an utter fraud such as Mick Wallace is looking good.

[Horsebox]

@farmerinthecity

The worst thing of this whole resignation of that smug prick Shatter is that an utter fraud such as Mick Wallace is looking good.

He looked far from good om 6.01 today with an open chested green t-shirt on.

[Bandage]

Any man that manages a squad containing dross like @Mac and Burgermasco to All Ireland glory is the very opposite of a fraud. Mick Wallace is a genius.