Ireland politics (Part 2)

[flattythehurdler]

Yerra, there’s always something.

[Biff_Egan]

Exactly. I’m not sure a more left wing government can be relied upon to bring budgetary spending on line. If it’s capex, all good, if it’s bending over for the public service unions on the other hand.

[TheUlteriorMotive]

France has a high headline rate but lots of allowances for employing people etc.

People who bemoan what Ireland did/do - we’re a tiny island on the edge of Europe who had no valuable natural resource, no heavy industry, no capital, endemic emigration

To turn that around to have the biggest tech and pharma companies employing thousands and thousands of people and all the spin off jobs they give rise to is an economic miracle and being Irish, Paddy wants to doff the cap and apologize to the French and Germans who’d have seen us collapse into the Atlantic

We were and are entitled to leverage the advantages we had as does every other nation

As for lads who say FF and FG have been a disaster

Between 1990 and 2017, the total number at work almost doubled, from 1.15 million to 2.22 million (OECD, 2021).

[glasagusban]

My outlook is that FG have screwed the country and not saved a penny and we have nothing to show for it, if SF get a go we won’t be any worse anyway and we’ll at least have a few more houses.

[Biff_Egan]

Well it depends if you see the country as screwed. International comparisons would suggest otherwise. But each FG government has got progressively worse so they’ll pay the price for that.

[TheUlteriorMotive]

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[glasagusban]

Possibly depends on your demographic but most people would agree the younger generation have been screwed.

[ciarancareyshurlingarmy]

The property game is a problem for a much wider field than Ireland. That does not excuse it.
Suggests a long term slowly developing bubble that will eventually reach a break point.

[Tank]

Have FG just turned into Bertie Ahern-era FF?

[tallback]

@glasagusban

Your last point is small and petty and incorrect.

On the runaway spending all the while storing up a housing crisis, a worsening health care system, worsening education system, and missing every climate target and with no asset to show for it, it’s hardly laudable, is it?

You’re right about the first bit but sure it’s the TFK way.

On the second you seem to be saying spending was inefficient rather than not enough spending? I’d say it’s a mixed bag to be honest. It was a minority gov which means it’ll always be a curates egg of allocations.

While my jibe at the public sector pay deal was unfair it does touch on how spending can jump significantly with no improvement in service output ie sectors with strong political clout often drive the agenda. Health care is another area where service level seems fairly uncorrelated with spending.

[balbec]

The Polish rate is 19% afaik

[flattythehurdler]

@TheUlteriorMotive

We were and are entitled to leverage the advantages we had as does every other nation

This just means the MNC’s get to pay no tax anywhere. Do you think this is right, genuinely?
I’m sick of this poor mouth loser talk.
Ireland is a stable, globally respected English speaking, educated and broad minded democracy. The only disadvantage we have is unlike Norway we don’t have a surfeit of oil. We export more food than we can eat.
We are part of the single market.
Honestly, your post above makes me despair.

[flattythehurdler]

If it’s just run through here, it will make no difference to the tax take if it moves.
I despair that people think Ireland incapable of backing ourselves and competing honestly.
I think it will result in pay gradually winding down to more reasonable levels, but house pricing will follow.

[Biff_Egan]

The large tech companies pay ~15% on their global profits. It’s incorrect to claim they pay tax nowhere. It would be fair to state that they game the system and their true rate should be double that.

[tazdedub]

@Ralphie

Pearse has a money tree it’s all good

I would prefer a money tree than the money pit that Paschal has out at St James.

[JoeBananas]

Stellar week for Fine Gael even by their standards. Simon Coventry completely undermining the President by agreeing to attend the commemoration of 100 years of partition, completely capitulated in Europe to increase our corporate taxes and the soft power journalists in the Indo and Newstalk fully pushing full redress for those Donegal gobdaws.

[jellyfish]

Angry hammer guy in the Donegal jersey is back down protesting today and was just on the One O’Clock news.

[Biff_Egan]

You’d miss the lad from Achill with the cement mixer.

[jellyfish]

They seem to be getting angrier and want 100% redress or nothing. So they’ll all end up with newly rebuilt houses with new kitchens, appliances and bathrooms etc all built to current specs?

Also saying they want to be reimbursed for any costs already incurred and given alternative accomodations.

It’s going to cost an absolute fortune.

[croppy_boy]

@jellyfish

They seem to be getting angrier and want 100% redress or nothing. So they’ll all end up with newly rebuilt houses with new kitchens, appliances and bathrooms etc all built to current specs?

None of this is accurate. You just looking to be a wum.

All of the proposals have includes a proviso that, where possible, existing furniture and interiors will be reinstalled.