Ireland politics (Part 2)

i think youre missing a P there flatty, but its highly likely thast mcmanus took it :smiley:

Rod rod rod

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While a bunch of ye want to measure your Tan/Ra allegiances and shout the odds about dickheadsmouthing off in the Dàil, it’s good to see some politicians are actually, ya know, working. This bill passed its final report stage wednesday night and will be passed into law in the next few weeks. 40 odd years after people started talking about legislating for it, numerous governments refusing to touch it or help, adopted people of this country will have a right to their information. Fair play Roderic.

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He’s a top man

Has Pearse come out from under the bed yet.

Maybe he is having a chat with the Waterford hurling team under the bed

Fair play to Gary, he has a good Tweet game at least.

Peadar ToibIn is only gagging for the right to essential healthcare to be removed from not just the women of Meath, but women everywhere on the planet.

A very dangerous man who leads a horrible racist rump of a “party”.

Could someone post up Una Mullalys piece from Irish times? It seems to have caused quite a stir. Anton Savage, Joe Brolly, Neale Richmond et al are all taking issue with it.

Sounds like a meatier piece than the usual complaint about having to go to the Northside to access her favourite hipster pub.

FG completely disconnected and doesn’t even realise it

In campaign mode in recent years, Fine Gael has often been nasty. From its Trumpian attack videos slamming the party it is in government with, to the election-time red alerts about working-class people voting, it has dragged political discourse into the gutter. It’s hard to look like the adults in the room when you act with such petulance, but on it goes. We will begin to see a hardening of this messaging, a self-destructive drive to rile up the party’s depleting base, instead of uniting people and reaching out to the floating voters it abandoned by creating the Fine Gael housing disaster.

When one is at fault, a classic defence mechanism is to lash out, blame other people, and obsess over those calling you out. Isn’t it funny that the Tánaiste, Leo Varadkar, was once viewed as a good communicator?

Newstalk, in particular, has always been a refuge for Varadkar. To celebrate the station’s 20th birthday in April, the guest who joined Communications Clinic managing director and radio presenter Anton Savage was, naturally, Varadkar himself. On the show, Savage played Varadkar’s first appearance on the station, as a Young Fine Gaeler, advocating for a Yes vote in the Nice Treaty referendum. “I’m kind of wondering if we should legislate for this right to be forgotten,” the Tánaiste joshed when he heard the clip, to laughs from Savage.

Collusion

There followed a 20-minute softball chat allowing Varadkar to riff in a simplistic manner without any degree of insight. “What you have with Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil is more of the centre,” Varadkar said on party political ideologies in Ireland, followed up, unchallenged, with the Leo-fact that Ireland never really had a party of the right, a fiction spun by both Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil to absolve themselves of their collusion in the oppressive right-wing theocratic deal between Church and State that moulded this country for a century.

Savage asked the Tánaiste for his favourite Newstalk memories. “It’s been very valuable to have an alternative, if you like, to RTÉ when it comes to news and current affairs. There’s been some really good documentary programmes. Patrick Geoghegan’s one on history is really great, one I try not to miss.” Varadkar failed to mention that he in fact hired Geoghegan as a speech writer.

“I think in the morning, I’ve always felt the Newstalk programmes, whether it’s now, or before with Chris [Donoghue, now one of Simon Coveney’s advisers] and Ivan [Yates, who has acted as a communications adviser to Fianna Fáil] were a little bit more optimistic, a bit more chirpy, maybe for a younger audience, which I think was a good balance. Down the years, a lot of good people provided some very good programmes. One that springs to mind – and I know the end was controversial – with George Hook, he did bring a different form of broadcasting and a different view.” Hook was suspended from Newstalk in 2017 for comments he made about a rape case, later returning to present a weekend programme.

In a column in the Irish Examiner in 2018, Terry Prone, Savage’s mother, joined the dots between Donald Trump, Leo Varadkar and failed presidential candidate Peter Casey’s communications tactics as all embodying that old cliche that they “tell it like it is”. This is how Varadkar built a media profile for himself. He was seen as a “straight talker”. Varadkar continued honing this method to the point that even when he was a minister discussing issues under his brief, he frequently came off as a commentator. As minister for health, in particular, he sometimes lambasted the state of the country’s health service on the airwaves, despite the fact that the buck stopped with him.

The thing about “telling it like it is” is that you need to know what the “it” is. Fine Gael is profoundly disconnected, and Varadkar’s leadership and personification of that disconnection has been electorally disastrous for his party. And it continues with his failed tactics of attacking the most popular party in the country.

The electorate knows what Fine Gael is against (Sinn FĂ©in), but is mystified as to what the party itself stands for. The main charge levelled at Fine Gael, existentially, is that it doesn’t “get it”. So what is “it”? Well, “it” is everything: how people live, what they want, what their values and desires are, what their vision for the future is, how they want things to be, and how they relate to politicians who are meant to understand where they’re at and what they need and want.

Failed tactic

Because so many of Fine Gael’s policies have failed so badly, and because it doesn’t have any ideas that actually chime with people, its “telling it like it is” capacity has evaporated. Instead, it will continue to resort to the failed and alienating tactic of attacking Sinn FĂ©in, which ironically is also Sinn FĂ©in’s favourite thing, because it bolsters its popularity immensely.

But no one cares about macho bluster and performative spats in the DĂĄil. People have real problems. This tripling down on attacking Sinn FĂ©in only plays to those within the deflating Fine Gael bubble. Presumably, because the Fine Gael fanboys on Twitter think it’s great, and because Fine Gael appears pathologically incapable of self-examination, this echo chamber will give the party a false sense that it is doing a great job, without realising that it’s not just the message that has failed — it’s the messengers.

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Id be offended too if I had the fork.out €3 to read that bland shite

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It’s fairly on the money. Leo’s biggest achievement or failure is the acceptability of SF to the Irish electorate under his watch. A windbag and waster.
FG have destroyed the gains they made in 2011 by blindly following him

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There was nothing in it though that was particularly offensive. If anything it was an unintended swipe at dinny o’brien and a half accusation of nepotism.

Ivana Bacik on Newstalk here. Although she speaks well and is good at making her point, you’d feel she’s too nice to make any real inroads in the opinion polls

Plus she’s in one of the most fickle constituencies in the country

The Bacik bounce is here to stay in the leafy environs of Dublin Bay South.

doubt it, shes done nothing for her constituency, and shes not in power so her seat will go to the shinners next time out

She was organising a protest outside the US embassy after the US supreme court decided to let individual states decide their abortion stance. Really has her ear to the ground does Bacik.

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