Ireland politics (Part 2)

Things
9264

They didn’t really though. Between 2022 and 2023 there was a near 13% increase in home completions in Q4.

Between Q4 of 2023 and 2024 there was a drop of 15% (1,500).

The numbers fluctuate depending on variables, with there been a lot of large schemes on the books.

I’d remind you that Housing Commission hotshot Ronan Lyons said in August 2023 predicted;

The Government currently estimates that its target of 24,600 completions this year is likely to be beaten. However, a significant fall in commencements over the course of 2022 may result in fewer than 20,000 completions in 2023, according to Mr Lyons.

There were 33k built in 2023. So he was very wrong in undercooking that.

You’ll get predictions either side of these numbers that are all over the shop.

This is the same as housing demand numbers too.

9265

Unfortunately not, they don’t really have a clue. Particularly now that there were so many commencements in 2024.

9266

So you’re saying that they’re just shit at their jobs,fair enough.

9267

You could say that- Hanlon’s razor should always be considered before plumping for conspiracies.

That said, why is Ireland near the top of the charts for European delivery?

9268

FG have been in power nearly 25 years.I think that says enough.

9269

Eh, they’ve been in office in some form since 2011.

9270

Wrong or lying. It’s been established they knew well they’d be 10k shy.

9271

Politicians have been known to lie

9272

There’s slanting and twisting but I think in Ireland for the most part we’ve had relatively good standards from our mainstream politicians, they don’t generally lie to mislead the public. I think they did here, bigly.

1 Like
9273

14 more like, they’ll overtake Dev’s record at this rate.

9274

No it hasn’t. It’s been established that Jack Chambers received a briefing from the Department of Finance. That’s not the Department of Housing. That’s not any number of others with predictions. There are ongoing estimates by various different actors.

It is now virtually impossible to predict completions. There was at one stage a lag from commencements to completions that was reasonably sound. The Central Bank predicted 35k in March 2024 but crucially, the commencements boom was really only underway then.

9275

Jesus, Coppinger is some tool. She’d be one of the first to complain about press freedom elsewhere.

I’m not standing up for Gript BTW.

3 Likes
9276

Coppinger was either correct or you are standing up for Gript. You can’t have it both ways.

3 Likes
9277

Any idea why there was a commencement boom?

9278

Yeah cause finance would have no connection to housing. I’d say they’d be writing briefings about housing and not even running it by the relevant department. You are talking complete shite would you ever go away out of it.

9279

They have a connection like the dozens of other forecasters.

9280

Waivers

9281

UK housing crisis

British Labour Party goal - 1.5m homes over 5 years in England. Equivalent to 28,000 houses in Ireland per annum.

In reality - England forecast to build the equivalent of 19,000 houses.

Australian Housing Crisis

Australia with an annual target of 240,000 homes which is about 47,000 on Irish money. Currently they are running at 33,000.

9282

Dublin Rathdown TD Sinead Gibney replaced as Social Democrats Foreign Affairs spokesperson | Irish Independent

another SD not covering themselves in glory

9283

She is pro-Palestine/Gaza is she not?

Going pro-Israel would be an interesting pivot for you

1 Like