Ireland V Andorra

[Rintintin]

@KIB man

I’ve seen the most of the Georgia game at this stage - our midfield particularly Green looked horrendous. Whelan and McGeady looked pants aswell. (make sure to add it to your avatar now). A midfield of Lawrence, Whelan, Green and Mcgeady is incredibly slow. Actually bar St.Ledger who seems quick and O’Shea, who doesnt seem caught for pace too often but aint exactly a speed merchant at the same time, we lack pace all over. Very vunerable to a team playing to a high tempo particularly if our wide players dont tuck in. Our defence will rarely have the luxury of playing a high line either now that the honey monster seems back. The one thing Andrews has is that he is an athlete and brings bite. He will be badly needed in the games against Slovakia and Russia.

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That’s strange seen as Green has never played against Georgia.

[myboyblue]

@Rintintin

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That’s strange seen as Green has never played against Georgia.

:lol:

[RaymondCrotty]

Deary me KIB you saw most of a game played a couple of years ago.
When did I say I had given up on Gibson? I’d of course like him to come good and like his character but we have to acknowledge he has done nothing at all of note for Ireland as yet. Hoping he cones good but nothing he has done so far in an Irish shirt suggests he will. I can’t remember at least a positive contribution from him yet?

[Rocko]

@KIB man

I was more sympathetic of Reid as he is the more talented player and has proved himself at international level in the past. Reid was ‘allowed’ miss the camp but never played a minute for Trap afterwards despite being in a few squads even post the guitar nonsense.[/quote]
That’s fine. I just wanted to check whether you were aware of your hypocrisy. I would of course dispute how much Reid is proven, and he’s certainly not proven in Trap’s system which really doesn’t suit him at all. Still you have double standards so continue to employ them at your discretion.

@KIB man

McCarthy hasnt been picked for a squad since he got Martinez to ring up so he could miss the summer friendlies. Would have been a chance to establish himself in the pecking order so seemed a bit strange. He didnt get picked for the last two games where the likes of Fahey delivered when called upon so would say he is well down the list at the moment especially with Duff, Andrews and possibly Hunt to come back in.

Not sure why you believe Martinez made the phone call for him. Try not to dilute the facts with innuendo and emotive language.

@KIB man

Strange for you to say that Wilson is hardly setting the world alight in the EPL - he has just played his first game for Stoke replacing Whelan and had a few EPL clubs after him after playing in difficult circumstances at Pompey last season. McCarthy aint exactly setting the world alight at Wigan so I cant understand the clamour to have him included. Think people believed the bullshit talk about Bayern Munich etc after him. The paddies are worse than the poms for hyping up their own.

He played in difficult circumstances alright. You must have a different interpretation of setting the world alight in the EPL than I do. I don’t consider playing his first game for Stoke as setting the world alight but that’s your choice. I’m not sure why that’s any better than McCarthy playing for Wigan but your double standards come in handy again there.

@KIB man

I’ve seen the most of the Georgia game at this stage

oops, if you haven’t seen a game in this campaign please don’t pretend you have.

@KIB man

- our midfield particularly Green looked horrendous. Whelan and McGeady looked pants aswell. (make sure to add it to your avatar now).

Please check the meaning of the word avatar.

[quote=“KIB man, post: 513411”]A midfield of Lawrence, Whelan, Green and Mcgeady is incredibly slow.[/quote]Wrong. McGeady is quick. You can dispute that if you want but you’d be wrong. Anyone who has watched him with any sort of regularity over the past few years would know that to be blatantly wrong.

@KIB man

Actually bar St.Ledger who seems quick and O’Shea, who doesnt seem caught for pace too often but aint exactly a speed merchant at the same time, we lack pace all over.

We’re a bit short on pace alright. And you’re probably right that Andy Reid is the answer to all those problems.

[quote=“KIB man, post: 513411”]Very vunerable to a team playing to a high tempo particularly if our wide players dont tuck in. Our defence will rarely have the luxury of playing a high line either now that the honey monster seems back. The one thing Andrews has is that he is an athlete and brings bite. He will be badly needed in the games against Slovakia and Russia.

I think the idea is that we stop teams playing a high tempo which is why we do so much pressing in midfield.

Overall that’s not much of a post son. If I were you I’d concentrate on a few short sentences sticking to the facts instead of wide sweeping paragraphs as coherent arguments aren’t really your strong point.

[KIB_man]

@Rintintin

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That’s strange seen as Green has never played against Georgia.

:lol: one of those eastern countries - moldovia or whatever they were called armenia you mongs

comrade rocko of course reid isnt proven in Trap’s system. He was never given a chance. He hasnt been fit in about 6 months so no point delving into that one further at the mo.

many of the reports suggested Martinez withdrew him, seems to explain his absence from a squad minus duff, andrews and hunt last time out - a reputable site pops up in a google search - http://videocelts.com/2010/05/blogs/darrenodeaandcilliansheridanimpres

when did i consider wilson playing a game for stoke to be setting anything alight. hold on a second are you mixing my words up again to suit your own agenda … what a predictable little man you are

mcgeady aint quick, he appears to be but as with him generally appearances can be deceptive. remember last season when he was brought on against cyprus away. he had a good 5 yards start on the full back who got caught wrong side. it was a break away and looked like he was in for a chance. the full back managed to turn around, catch up in a couple of second to disposess McG even before he reached the box.

as im sure most reasoned observers would agree Ireland dont play a pressing game in midfield. We withdraw and protect our defence. We mark space. If we tried to press with a midfield as slow as green, whelan, lawrence and mcgeady - the ruskies and slovaks would destroy us. particularly if our wide players stayed wide - our two central players would likely be outnumbered by quicker players with better technique. Tactically again you have been found out here - not knowing the system Ireland employ and proposing we press in midfield with a midfield as limited and one paced as lined up against Armenia.

I never suggested andy reid would add speed either, you were the one that brought andy reid into this discussion but hey whatever makes you feel any more smug and self serving …

perhaps coherent argument aint my forte but Id suggest you refrain from bland self serving agenda riven counter arguments or else depart that glass house you seem to be throwing stones from

pity you werent so vocal in response to my thread about Glasgow Celtic. Would have been interesting to read your response in relation to an organisation that supported child abuse through its cover up and subsequent support of child abuser Jim Torbett and the way youth players such as Brazil were ostracised for coming out.

[Rocko]

@KIB man

:lol: one of those eastern countries - moldovia or whatever they were called armenia you mongs [/quote]
That’s right. We’re the mongs. So you have seen “some” of the Armenia game allegedly and are making a judgement based on that? That’s handy for you.

@KIB man

comrade rocko of course reid isnt proven in Trap’s system. He was never given a chance. He hasnt been fit in about 6 months so no point delving into that one further at the mo.

Agreed.

@KIB man

many of the reports suggested Martinez withdrew him, seems to explain his absence from a squad minus duff, andrews and hunt last time out - a reputable site pops up in a google search - http://videocelts.com/2010/05/blogs/darrenodeaandcilliansheridanimpres

Nothing suggests Martinez made a phone call on his behalf. That’s just your own invention. He withdrew from a squad - it probably hasn’t done him many favours but he’s played against eastern Europe in the Under 21s since so probably served his punishment.

@KIB man

when did i consider wilson playing a game for stoke to be setting anything alight. hold on a second are you mixing my words up again to suit your own agenda … what a predictable little man you are

I said he wasn’t setting the world alight in the EPL. You disagreed for some reason. Now you’re backtracking on that. Again that’s fine. Double standards.

@KIB man

mcgeady aint quick, he appears to be but as with him generally appearances can be deceptive. remember last season when he was brought on against cyprus away. he had a good 5 yards start on the full back who got caught wrong side. it was a break away and looked like he was in for a chance. the full back managed to turn around, catch up in a couple of second to disposess McG even before he reached the box.

Horseshit. I went through this at the time. If you don’t think he’s quick then you’re lying to yourself or you haven’t seen enough of him. Simple as that.

@KIB man

as im sure most reasoned observers would agree Ireland dont play a pressing game in midfield. We withdraw and protect our defence. We mark space. If we tried to press with a midfield as slow as green, whelan, lawrence and mcgeady - the ruskies and slovaks would destroy us. particularly if our wide players stayed wide - our two central players would likely be outnumbered by quicker players with better technique. Tactically again you have been found out here - not knowing the system Ireland employ and proposing we press in midfield with a midfield as limited and one paced as lined up against Armenia.

That’s patently not true. One of the reasons Green was retained in the team was because he understood the difference between sitting deep and getting in and making tackles. Why do you think he gave away so many fouls in the last two games(sorry I forgot you didn’t see the games you are commenting on)? Andrews has always got stuck in, as has Whelan. They don’t just sit deep. If you watch the Andorra game you’ll see that they’re actually high enough up the park and that’s how the Andorrans get to the breaking ball. It’s the same reason Armenia were able to break behind us a number of times.

There’s no question that Ireland employ a conservative strategy in the middle of the park but if you don’t think that the midfielders press on their opposing numbers when they have the ball then I’m afraid you haven’t seen enough of Ireland’s matches.

@KIB man

I never suggested andy reid would add speed either, you were the one that brought andy reid into this discussion but hey whatever makes you feel any more smug and self serving …

Nope, you suggested the midfield lacked speed. You also think Andy Reid should be in there. Double standards.

@KIB man

perhaps coherent argument aint my forte but Id suggest you refrain from bland self serving agenda riven counter arguments or else depart that glass house you seem to be throwing stones from

It sure isn’t. You might explain the word “riven” to us when you get the chance. I think you mean ridden.

[quote=“KIB man, post: 513416”]pity you werent so vocal in response to my thread about Glasgow Celtic. Would have been interesting to read your response in relation to an organisation that supported child abuse through its cover up and subsequent support of child abuser Jim Torbett and the way youth players such as Brazil were ostracised for coming out.

Pathetic.

[KIB_man]

@Rocko

That’s right. We’re the mongs. So you have seen “some” of the Armenia game allegedly and are making a judgement based on that? That’s handy for you.

Agreed.

Nothing suggests Martinez made a phone call on his behalf. That’s just your own invention. He withdrew from a squad - it probably hasn’t done him many favours but he’s played against eastern Europe in the Under 21s since so probably served his punishment.

I said he wasn’t setting the world alight in the EPL. You disagreed for some reason. Now you’re backtracking on that. Again that’s fine. Double standards.

Horseshit. I went through this at the time. If you don’t think he’s quick then you’re lying to yourself or you haven’t seen enough of him. Simple as that.

That’s patently not true. One of the reasons Green was retained in the team was because he understood the difference between sitting deep and getting in and making tackles. Why do you think he gave away so many fouls in the last two games(sorry I forgot you didn’t see the games you are commenting on)? Andrews has always got stuck in, as has Whelan. They don’t just sit deep. If you watch the Andorra game you’ll see that they’re actually high enough up the park and that’s how the Andorrans get to the breaking ball. It’s the same reason Armenia were able to break behind us a number of times.

There’s no question that Ireland employ a conservative strategy in the middle of the park but if you don’t think that the midfielders press on their opposing numbers when they have the ball then I’m afraid you haven’t seen enough of Ireland’s matches.

Nope, you suggested the midfield lacked speed. You also think Andy Reid should be in there. Double standards.

It sure isn’t. You might explain the word “riven” to us when you get the chance. I think you mean ridden.

Pathetic.

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double standards, using a game against andorra to prove how our midfielders press, spelling mistakes, andy reid, twisting my posts - predictable drivel

[Rocko]

I’ll take that as a concession of defeat. I always know when you’re about to give up when you accuse people of “twisting” your posts. Maybe concentrate on keeping your opinions coherent, logical and consistent. The posts will look after themselves then.

[KIB_man]

@Rocko

I’ll take that as a concession of defeat. I always know when you’re about to give up when you accuse people of “twisting” your posts. Maybe concentrate on keeping your opinions coherent, logical and consistent. The posts will look after themselves then.

twisting -

Definitions of twisting on the Web:

• distortion: the act of distorting something so it seems to mean something it was not intended to mean

• spin: the act of rotating rapidly; “he gave the crank a spin”; “it broke off after much twisting”

• tortuous: marked by repeated turns and bends; “a tortuous road up the mountain”; “winding roads are full of surprises”; “had to steer the car down a twisty track”
  wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

• Gerund of of twist; Having many twists
  en.wiktionary.org/wiki/twisting

• twist - turn: an unforeseen development; “events suddenly took an awkward turn”

• twist - construction: an interpretation of a text or action; “they put an unsympathetic construction on his conduct”

• twist - device: any clever maneuver; “he would stoop to any device to win a point”; “it was a great sales gimmick”; “a cheap promotions gimmick for greedy businessmen”

• twist - writhe: to move in a twisting or contorted motion, (especially when struggling); “The prisoner writhed in discomfort”; “The child tried to wriggle free from his aunt’s embrace”

• twist - flex: cause (a plastic object) to assume a crooked or angular form; “bend the rod”; “twist the dough into a braid”; “the strong man could turn an iron bar”

• twist - wrench: a sharp strain on muscles or ligaments; “the wrench to his knee occurred as he fell”; “he was sidelined with a hamstring pull”

• twist - turn in the opposite direction; “twist one’s head”

• twist - kink: a sharp bend in a line produced when a line having a loop is pulled tight

• twist - form into a spiral shape; “The cord is all twisted”

• twist - bend: a circular segment of a curve; “a bend in the road”; “a crook in the path”

• twist - form into twists; “Twist the strips of dough”

[Rocko]

I’ll get Flano to twist your fucking head off if you spam his board with shite like that again.

[farmerinthecity]

@Rocko

I’ll get Flano to twist your fucking head off if you spam his board with shite like that again.

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Laughed out loud at that.

So much so that snot came out of my nose.

[KIB_man]

@farmerinthecity

:lol:

Laughed out loud at that.

So much so that snot came out of my nose.

ffs i hope rocko hasnt the runs today

[caoimhaoin]

And i get acussed of spamming, holy shit, how is this cunt of a thread still on page 1.

KIB is the most clueless fucker i’ve ever come across.

[myboyblue]

@Rocko

I’ll get Flano to twist your fucking head off if you spam his board with shite like that again.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Treeeeeeeeeeeemendous.

[KIB_man]

@caoimhaoin

And i get acussed of spamming, holy shit, how is this cunt of a thread still on page 1.

KIB is the most clueless fucker i’ve ever come across.

coming from a guy who among many things will show up for a fight at the phoenix park with a username and possibly a bit more strange seems to have no real life friends to go to the game with

@myboyblue

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Treeeeeeeeeeeemendous.

at least farmer will have a bit of help