That of course doesnât excuse some of the things they did at the same time
Ya people around limerick donât really care about the north. Itâs quite sad really when you think about it.
No - and Iâd never defend some of the things done⊠the initial response and then what the conflict became are two separate things in ways, yet the same. But no one can justify some of the horrible acts carried out, on all sides.
Name me any conflict where lines were not crossed by one side or the other.
The fact is the Irish Free State and British Governmentâs hands are absolutely dripping with blood when it comes to the troubles.
And so are the IRA
The old IRA or the Provos?
The Provos were an absolute inevitability to what the British government and Free State governments allowed fester and develop up north.
I suppose you probably felt it right that Catholics were getting burned out of their homes, beaten like dogs on streets by the RUC and B Specials when campaigning for their civil rights?
Of course not. However what happened to Patsy Gillespie was wrong and nothing to do with a war, it was just barbaric. Same with the two children that were killed aboard that boat with Mountbatten, a murder which gets glorified by some.
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Itâs funny how the Provos ânecessityâ ceased after;
- Provisional Sinn FĂ©in did what other nationalist parties had done decades before and started to recognise the legitimacy of electoral politics, after they got a taste for it after the Hunger Strikes and Gerry Adams like being on camera
- Funding started to dry up from Irish Americans
- they became were riddled with informers
- the average age of Provos kept increasing, with fewer and fewer new volunteers entering the ranks, as the various injustices that led to many joining dried up and the brutality of IRA actions at the likes of Enniskillen shown through
This clip below says it all. The lies from Sinn FĂ©in on the IRA must be called out. The Provisional IRA might have emerged from the environment in NI in the 1960s and 1970s, but they went on long beyond what was ânecessaryâ or justifiable. They should not be given credit because Gerry Adams got vein, that their volunteers were getting older & wanted a pension and their war had run aground. They were fighting a âwarâ and lost.
Seamus Mallon had some great quotes on them, including the âSunningdale for slow learnersâ one but the best one was;
They did not win. And the IRA were the biggest failures of the past 40 years and in the process, demeaned the term republican and all that it stood for
Martin McGuinness has more integrity than Gerry Adams and unlike Adams, managed to cultivate some positive relationships with the Unionist community. Gerry Adams comes from a long line of Ra heads and grew up with it, Martin McGuinness did not and likely did fall into it. You could believe some of the apologies he made, unlike Adams. Adams is a lifelong liar. He continues to lie about being in the IRA. There is no other politician in the western world who would get away with what he did with his brother. Adams is a giant POS and the people who defend him are just as bad.
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Odd that you are very frequent to comment on matters the IRA committed but very rarely do we hear the opposite side from you.
Why donât you go campaign for Mary Boyleâs killer to be brought to justice?
Because its obvious that the British government committed horrendous acts. Nobody on here is defending them. You are defending horrendous acts on the other side
If itâs obvious the British State committed horrendous acts then why have FFG never taken them to task on it yet will roll out Paul Quinn or Mairia Cahill or Jean McConville as political footballs.
Were horrendous acts committed in the Irish Civil War? Iâve never seen you condemn them.
Youâre a bona fide hypocrite. What happened was an inevitability of war, and the Irish Free Stateâs hands are drenched with blood from The Troubles, their inaction forced ordinary people from nationalist communities to take up arms. Maybe focus on that.
Anyway, maybe you should focus on Mary Boyle.
Paul Quinn was murdered long after your failed war.
What a cunt
Whatâs that go to do with FG covering up sectarian murders in Ireland?
You brought up Paul Quinn.
You put it alongside Jean McConville, British atrocities in Ireland and Civil War atrocities. You are bucketing them together.
Paul Quinn happened long after the Provisional IRA lost their war. The narrative from SF is that it has nothing to do with Republicans. Why did you put Paul Quinn in the same bucket and get defensive about it?
So you think the life of a hood involved in criminality is worth more than the 34 people who lost their lives in the Dublin/Monaghan bombings?
Strange.
While thereâs plenty of truth in there, you fail to recognise the part the British state played in fuelling and sustaining the ranks of the IRA.
Plenty of lies from them that have not been called out also.
Making things up again. Have you learned about the victims of that bombing yet after our last lesson?
You are weirdly bucketing in Paul Quinn amongst all of those things. The SF line is that it was not a Republican murder. So why are you putting it under the same umbrella?
Bobby Sands ring a bell?
Was Adams ever in the IRA do you think?
Indo headline today RTĂ faces backlash over McGuinness programme.
The article underneath is another rant by Austin Stack. What a headline