Irelands greatest ever Statesman -Martin McGuinness

I don’t really have anything much more to add to this except to say that Martin appeared to genuinely realise and respect the Unionist tradition in the North and offered olive branches all over the place. This is despite being oppressed by these same people for years. The decent Unionists (and I don’t mean the DUP) recognised this. A Free Presbyterian minister in Derry called him the greatest politician in the history of Ireland.

I was genuinely upset when Martin passed. I still feel a massive sense of loss - loss for this country North and South. @Thomas_Brady mentioned the IRA atrocities and that will rightly be discussed, I’m sure McGuinness wouldn’t have it any other way. But ultimately he came through and more than anyone stopped the killing in the 6 counties.

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Latest one yes. 2014 locals and euros and 2016 GE saw continued growth though

There could not have been anything other than growth for SF . FF were a mess & the government (FG & Lab) were implementing austerity for Troika . It was shooting fish in a barrel and still is tbh

I just saw Harry McGee was the writer. I’ve changed my mind. It was shit

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It’s between Martin McGuiness and John Hume.
It needed both men, and it needed both to be great men, both with more peace than violence, and more forgiveness than hate, and above all, honesty
Adams is a snake who shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath.

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Harry McGee is a top lad.

In what way is Adams a snake?

Adams is an incredible man too, like McGuinness he will forever be connected with IRA atrocities but those who pontificate and judge on those acts have probably never suffered a day’s hardship in their life.

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He protected a lad who raped children for starters.

And here we go again.

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Think that was the RUC, mate.

One of their boys is now the head of police in the Free State.

No it was Gerry Adams. He protected his brother who raped kids. Deflect away for the rest of the afternoon.

There is no such place as the Free State.

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Think it was the RUC, a brainwashed blueshirt might have difficulty seeing the wood from the trees though so carry on.

In March 1987, Gerry Adams went to Buncrana to meet his niece Áine and her mother. They told him Áine’s father, Gerry’s brother Liam, had sexually abused her from the age of four. On his own account, he fully believed these allegations, though he “didn’t want to know the detail”.

He was aware, as he told his brother’s trial, “a person who would do such a thing is a danger to other children”. He was “very conscious, on the foot of such an allegation, that one has to protect other minors”.

Liam Adams by now had another young daughter with another woman. But Gerry Adams did not contact social services or the Garda in Donegal. On his return to Belfast next day, he did speak to a social worker who had been assigned to his brother’s family. He told her nothing about the abuse.

In a TV interview in 2009, Gerry Adams said two things about what happened subsequently that were radically untrue. He said Liam Adams left Ireland and “basically he was out of my life more or less for about the next 15 years”. (He admitted under oath that “I concede it might not have been for 15 years; I acknowledge clearly and I have never failed to do so that I was in contact with him”.)

In fact, Liam Adams got four different jobs between 1997 and 2006 that gave him unsupervised access to children and young people in two different areas where Sinn FĂŠin has a very strong presence and in constituencies that Gerry Adams has represented: the Muirhevnamor estate in Dundalk and west Belfast.

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@Fulvio_From_Aughnacloy thinks child rapists should be protected and facilitated.

The facts at hand;

Gerry Adams did not report his brother to the police for child abuse.

In 2000, Liam Adams confessed to his brother that he had raped Aine, but Gerry Adams failed to report this vital information to police for nine years.

Later on, and two years before he talked to the police, he attempted to gag the press from reporting it. Using British courts.

She explained that in 2007 he heard that a local newspaper was planning to cover it.

“He frantically phoned me about 20 times,” said Aine.

“He wanted to obtain a court injunction with my help to stop the story. He said he needed to make sure it didn’t get into the press to protect me. Looking back, he was buttering me up. It was all about PR and his own image.”

It’s funny how Jarry uses the instruments of the British establishment when it suits him.

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I can understand to some degree why Gerry didnt go to the police in the early days — But justice, as what would have happened to other’s in the nationalist community, should have been dealt out.

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Anything on the RUC there Tim?

What are you thoughts on John Hume?

I don’t agree with everything Hume did or said but I do acknowledge he was selfless in his efforts to bring peace to the O6 and gain equality for the nationalist community

The Provos were an absolute necessity for the nationalist community as the British and Free State governments were completely indifferent to the secatarian murder, intimidation, violence and deprivation against the nationalist community in the O6.

Sadly, this last part is true.