I hope lads realize John frequents here from time to time. Him and a couple of county players. So we’re “not alone”
Rebels Abu
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 801549, member: 273”]I hope lads realize John frequents here from time to time. Him and a couple of county players. So we’re “not alone”
Rebels Abu[/quote]
Sure that would make him a hypocrite and “internet voyeur”
How would he know what we say if he doesn’t read it art?
Wouldnt gah or sully ring him and tell him? 
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 801549, member: 273”]I hope lads realize John frequents here from time to time. Him and a couple of county players. So we’re “not alone”
Rebels Abu[/quote]
John Allen is a top manager. As is O’Grady. The only caveat I have with O’Grady is the fact that the mon has had such a dismal harty cup record for the last 20 years. He’s a superb coach and one would’ve thought that his presence should have delivered more for the school.
The school was effectively split in two and they were not allowed have the irish speaking lads for hurling. As well as that alot of the good hurlers started going to the rugby schools and country lads started going elsewhere.
Not a spoofer. 
[quote=“ChocolateMice, post: 756109, member: 168”]Huh?
Championship is what counts, and if he beats that lot we will love him. But his decision making is fucking baffling, or indeed his lack of it during games.
I’m deeply upset after losing that tonight and It’s fair to say management contributed a fair amount to the loss.
Is he a complete bluffer or what.
Tan, tell us more about his time in cork? he was only there to facilitate the players and Donal Og ran the show right? Should we be going after Donal?[/quote]
It’s easy known that you are a Clare man from the Shannon Banks area.This is the same John Allen that took Brian Corcoran and Ronan Curran off against Clare in the 2005 all ireland semi final.This is the same John Allen that threw Galway off their game in the 2005 all ireland final when we played a direct game when Galway were expecting the tippy tappy game.This is the same John Allen that signed his own death warrant as Cork manager when he ordered Frank out of the dressing room before our brilliant win over Waterford in the 2006 all ireland semi final.This is the same John Allen that tore us a new one last Sunday!
What a post. John Allen is a genus. More importantly, he’s a fucking great guy. The gentleman genius.
Genius? Certainly seems like a top man.
More likely he is a great facilitator with empathy and a high level of emotional intelligence who also understands the strengths and weaknesses of his team.
If he wins All Ireland with this Limerick team I think he could be called a genius. Because i think it will take some serious innovation for that to happen. Otherwise he’s just a good guy who lets players get the best out of themselves and puts good men around him. That’s good management.
Who said I was from Shannon Banks? Im a Lord Edward St/Moyross man.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 804008, member: 273”]Genius? Certainly seems like a top man.
More likely he is a great facilitator with empathy and a high level of emotional intelligence who also understands the strengths and weaknesses of his team.
If he wins All Ireland with this Limerick team I think he could be called a genius. Because i think it will take some serious innovation for that to happen. Otherwise he’s just a good guy who lets players get the best out of themselves and puts good men around him. That’s good management.[/quote]
It’s genius compared to some of the lads we’ve had in charge in recent years.
Agreed.
Be interesting tho where we would be at if O’Grady stayed on.
Too easy to blame manager or praise him too much either. The players are really only emerging now and it has risen the older lads.
[quote=“Mark Renton, post: 804020, member: 1796”]Agreed.
Be interesting tho where we would be at if O’Grady stayed on.[/quote]
Probably competitive but still playing an overly restrictive short passing game and with no full or centre back. I don’t understand why people insist on considering O’Grady as more astute than Allen, it’s the other way around.
It is not possible to find enough blame to lay on some of the idiots that we had in charge.
[quote=“glasagusban, post: 804029, member: 1533”]Probably competitive but still playing an overly restrictive short passing game and with no full or centre back. I don’t understand why people insist on considering O’Grady as more astute than Allen, it’s the other way around.
It is not possible to find enough blame to lay on some of the idiots that we had in charge.[/quote]
Ya, but you are talking about o Grady. He is far from an idiot. He had alot if the same bunch but didn’t have the likes of Hannon at this level and the squad.
What often happens also is a manager can lay the foundation for another guy to bring it on.
With the geographical nature and amateurism of GAA often means there is a nice bit of luck and timing.
Astute is being able to make changes on the hop during games and changing little things within a season.
Neither O Grady or Allen ever did that they planned everything.
Cody is astute. Blessed with a few gifted hurlers, but he still beats them all in fixing match ups, making changes and using players for different roles.
Allen gets alot of credit for taking off the 2 Cork lads in 05, but in fairness, they were shit. It was a no-brainer.
He is being made out to be a genius for 2 games, one where Tipp were dreadful and another where they were well outplayed until they got an extra man and the wind.
I’d hold off on the sainthood yet.
People tend to have forgotten quickly about the absolute mess that O’Grady took over.
His greatest contribution was to put Humpty-Dumpty back together again to a large extent. Good man-management and attention to detail was a big help.
We would have gone nowhere with his style of hurling though. It’s simply not suited to Limerick players who have all grown up playing a completely different game. For O’Grady’s style to be effective it would have taken years of development at academy level.
It’s true that Allen acts more as a facilitator and has the right personnel around him with the license to do their jobs.
It’s the way forward really as it’s rare enough these days to find a single individual with all of the necessary attributes for inter-county coaching and management.
[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 804038, member: 273”]
He is being made out to be a genius for 2 games, one where Tipp were dreadful and another where they were well outplayed until they got an extra man and the wind.
I’d hold off on the sainthood yet.[/quote]
Ah here!
Outplayed at 10 points a piece, against the wind and Sun.