It follows exactly your logic.
One doesn’t have to dig too hard to find what your real motivation is.
I think when it comes to things like famine, the word of the historian on it’s own is not valid enough. Famines require inter-disciplinary studies - and while the historian makes up one voice within that, I think you have to take a much broader approach to famine studies.
David Nally’s book Human Encumbrances is one such study - He uses biopolitics , famine theory, political philosophy, colonialism and post-structuralism to show how the English state engaged in centuries on political violence against the Irish… He doesnt suggest it was genocide … that term is incorrectly used in the context of the 19th century … but cleansing is probably more apt.
His main claim is the Famine was made possible by centuries of political violence used to regulate the Irish population other than brute force … of course, there was plenty of that also.
His take is that the tans were guilty of Faminogenic behaviour ---- While it was not genocide in the way we understand genocide, Britain was guilty of crimes of genocide.
Ciaran O’Murchadha also came to the same conclusion in his recent Anthology of the Irish Famine … We cant be guilty of putting modern terms on historic events - but at the same time, modern day Britain would have multiple charges to answer to an international criminal court on counts of genocide …
Nearly all historians tho do agree that the Famine could have been avoided … why wasnt it? At the height of the greatest (richest?) empire the world has seen, one of the greatest famines of modern times happens in their own back yard … to seek an answer as to why that was, you need to go beyond the ‘facts’ and deductions of historians.
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It happened because the Brits hated us and were happy to sit back and watch us starve or leave. The Brits, especially the English, hated everyone who wasn’t English never British.
If anything good has come out of this thread, and it hasn’t, it’s that it’s brought @anon61878697 back to the forum.
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@Sidney and his sidekick @glasagusban hiding out in the Venezuela thread, afraid of their lives to reenter this thread
@Sidney, please list the Irish Republicans who called for an “extermination of Protestants”
@glasagusban, please outline the argument as to why the then British government was not directly responsible for the deaths of 1 - 1.5 million Irish people in the mid 19th century.
Can’t ref republicans calling for extermination of Protestant’s never happened
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That’s a great post mouse. Having read a few books on the history of northern England though, I don’t think the English property owning classes treated their own poor much better. It was class war with a bit extra for
Plenty starved in their own country at the time. Plenty starve in relatively rich countries even now.
Nobody died, why can’t people get that into their stupid heads? A million and a half Irish starved to death, and not one on the mainland. Why is that so hard for some Irish people to process?
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They all had soup
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Correct, made from grain shipped from Ireland.
To feed their hungry.
Are you starting to get why it was deliberate?
Grain soup doesn’t sound great, I pictured the prods stirring up big cauldrons of oxtail or creamy vegetable
You still don’t get it, a million to a million and a half of your ancestors starved to death, eating grass by the roadside. While foodstuff was transported passed them to feed the starving on the mainland.
Your search for humor in this tragedy and lack of empathy is telling.
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Unless they are not his ancestry of course.
I come from a long line of fishermen,
Now why don’t you relax a small bit, the famine was a tragedy but nobody gives a fuck about your 21st century feuds and vendettas
Cork’s loyalist British mindset starting to peep it’s head through now, was only a matter of time.
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Tut tut
Tut tut says the free stater - boy in blue