Kilkenny GAA thread

kerry1891 · November 5, 2021, 7:51pm

Malarkey:

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

TheBlackSpot:

Malarkey:

The club was known as Shamrocks between 1972 and 1997. From 1998 onwards, the club became known, in a mysterious but organic fashion, as Ballyhale Shamrocks

This is purely anecdotal and I know next to nothing about the club, except for this, they played Ballycastle McQuillans in an All Ireland club semi final sometime around '79’80. They were billed as Ballyhale Shamrocks. That was a match that I attended. I’ve been trying to get a hold of a friend of mine to see if by any chance he’d have a programme from that game but haven’t been able to get him so far.
Now, that may just have been how Shamrocks were referred to up here in the wee six at that time but it is my clear recollection of it.

As for Frank Cummins - I also remember him playing for Blackrock against Ballycastle in the same competition a couple of years before that. The Blackrock team was studded with All Stars. I remember being told there were 5 or 6 of them. Ray Cummings played that day. The only other I recall is Tom Cashman.

Actually, @Glentaisie may, if he’s old enough, remember this. He’s Ballycastle born, bred and buttered.

You make a great point. I have that programme and was surprised to note, a couple of years ago, exactly the facet you highlight. But that name designation, in truth, was an outlier. Very very rarely happened between 1972 and 1997. I do remember a SKC schools programme in the mid 1990s where the club of our lads was given as ‘Ballyhale Shamrocks’. But, again, very much a rarity.

The club name was sometimes given, during those 25 years, as The Shamrocks. Shamrocks (Ballyhale) was also used at times – as a response, I reckon, to Conahy Shamrocks going Senior in the mid 1970s.

I suspect the club’s original name, formally, was ‘Na Seamróga’. But this facet has been lost, inquiries revealed, in 1970s mists.

I would be happy if the club’s name had not swerved in the late 1990s. But I am a realist and a pragmatist, someone who does not believe you can erase 21 years of history by merely wishing it erased.

And: I dislike the irrational as much as I dislike shit stirrers.

you never mentioned the Ballinclogher holy terrors!! not widely known

Am lost…

Page 28 and Page 29 Malarkey!

In My Own Words: The Autobiography - Paul Galvin - Google Books

Malarkey · November 5, 2021, 7:51pm

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

TheBlackSpot:

Malarkey:

The club was known as Shamrocks between 1972 and 1997. From 1998 onwards, the club became known, in a mysterious but organic fashion, as Ballyhale Shamrocks

This is purely anecdotal and I know next to nothing about the club, except for this, they played Ballycastle McQuillans in an All Ireland club semi final sometime around '79’80. They were billed as Ballyhale Shamrocks. That was a match that I attended. I’ve been trying to get a hold of a friend of mine to see if by any chance he’d have a programme from that game but haven’t been able to get him so far.
Now, that may just have been how Shamrocks were referred to up here in the wee six at that time but it is my clear recollection of it.

As for Frank Cummins - I also remember him playing for Blackrock against Ballycastle in the same competition a couple of years before that. The Blackrock team was studded with All Stars. I remember being told there were 5 or 6 of them. Ray Cummings played that day. The only other I recall is Tom Cashman.

Actually, @Glentaisie may, if he’s old enough, remember this. He’s Ballycastle born, bred and buttered.

You make a great point. I have that programme and was surprised to note, a couple of years ago, exactly the facet you highlight. But that name designation, in truth, was an outlier. Very very rarely happened between 1972 and 1997. I do remember a SKC schools programme in the mid 1990s where the club of our lads was given as ‘Ballyhale Shamrocks’. But, again, very much a rarity.

The club name was sometimes given, during those 25 years, as The Shamrocks. Shamrocks (Ballyhale) was also used at times – as a response, I reckon, to Conahy Shamrocks going Senior in the mid 1970s.

I suspect the club’s original name, formally, was ‘Na Seamróga’. But this facet has been lost, inquiries revealed, in 1970s mists.

I would be happy if the club’s name had not swerved in the late 1990s. But I am a realist and a pragmatist, someone who does not believe you can erase 21 years of history by merely wishing it erased.

And: I dislike the irrational as much as I dislike shit stirrers.

you never mentioned the Ballinclogher holy terrors!! not widely known

As it happens, a hurling club name by which I was amused is Ballyduff’s second team, Lady’s Walk.

Malarkey · November 5, 2021, 7:52pm

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

TheBlackSpot:

Malarkey:

The club was known as Shamrocks between 1972 and 1997. From 1998 onwards, the club became known, in a mysterious but organic fashion, as Ballyhale Shamrocks

This is purely anecdotal and I know next to nothing about the club, except for this, they played Ballycastle McQuillans in an All Ireland club semi final sometime around '79’80. They were billed as Ballyhale Shamrocks. That was a match that I attended. I’ve been trying to get a hold of a friend of mine to see if by any chance he’d have a programme from that game but haven’t been able to get him so far.
Now, that may just have been how Shamrocks were referred to up here in the wee six at that time but it is my clear recollection of it.

As for Frank Cummins - I also remember him playing for Blackrock against Ballycastle in the same competition a couple of years before that. The Blackrock team was studded with All Stars. I remember being told there were 5 or 6 of them. Ray Cummings played that day. The only other I recall is Tom Cashman.

Actually, @Glentaisie may, if he’s old enough, remember this. He’s Ballycastle born, bred and buttered.

You make a great point. I have that programme and was surprised to note, a couple of years ago, exactly the facet you highlight. But that name designation, in truth, was an outlier. Very very rarely happened between 1972 and 1997. I do remember a SKC schools programme in the mid 1990s where the club of our lads was given as ‘Ballyhale Shamrocks’. But, again, very much a rarity.

The club name was sometimes given, during those 25 years, as The Shamrocks. Shamrocks (Ballyhale) was also used at times – as a response, I reckon, to Conahy Shamrocks going Senior in the mid 1970s.

I suspect the club’s original name, formally, was ‘Na Seamróga’. But this facet has been lost, inquiries revealed, in 1970s mists.

I would be happy if the club’s name had not swerved in the late 1990s. But I am a realist and a pragmatist, someone who does not believe you can erase 21 years of history by merely wishing it erased.

And: I dislike the irrational as much as I dislike shit stirrers.

you never mentioned the Ballinclogher holy terrors!! not widely known

Am lost…

Page 28 and Page 29 Malarkey!

In My Own Words: The Autobiography - Paul Galvin - Google Books

Very good!

kerry1891 · November 5, 2021, 7:55pm

Malarkey:

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

TheBlackSpot:

Malarkey:

The club was known as Shamrocks between 1972 and 1997. From 1998 onwards, the club became known, in a mysterious but organic fashion, as Ballyhale Shamrocks

This is purely anecdotal and I know next to nothing about the club, except for this, they played Ballycastle McQuillans in an All Ireland club semi final sometime around '79’80. They were billed as Ballyhale Shamrocks. That was a match that I attended. I’ve been trying to get a hold of a friend of mine to see if by any chance he’d have a programme from that game but haven’t been able to get him so far.
Now, that may just have been how Shamrocks were referred to up here in the wee six at that time but it is my clear recollection of it.

As for Frank Cummins - I also remember him playing for Blackrock against Ballycastle in the same competition a couple of years before that. The Blackrock team was studded with All Stars. I remember being told there were 5 or 6 of them. Ray Cummings played that day. The only other I recall is Tom Cashman.

Actually, @Glentaisie may, if he’s old enough, remember this. He’s Ballycastle born, bred and buttered.

You make a great point. I have that programme and was surprised to note, a couple of years ago, exactly the facet you highlight. But that name designation, in truth, was an outlier. Very very rarely happened between 1972 and 1997. I do remember a SKC schools programme in the mid 1990s where the club of our lads was given as ‘Ballyhale Shamrocks’. But, again, very much a rarity.

The club name was sometimes given, during those 25 years, as The Shamrocks. Shamrocks (Ballyhale) was also used at times – as a response, I reckon, to Conahy Shamrocks going Senior in the mid 1970s.

I suspect the club’s original name, formally, was ‘Na Seamróga’. But this facet has been lost, inquiries revealed, in 1970s mists.

I would be happy if the club’s name had not swerved in the late 1990s. But I am a realist and a pragmatist, someone who does not believe you can erase 21 years of history by merely wishing it erased.

And: I dislike the irrational as much as I dislike shit stirrers.

you never mentioned the Ballinclogher holy terrors!! not widely known

Am lost…

Page 28 and Page 29 Malarkey!

In My Own Words: The Autobiography - Paul Galvin - Google Books

Very good!

yep Ballinclogher were a breakaway from Lixnaw hurling club at the time, stacked with Galvins and Fitzmaurice’s and 1 or 2 other families. It was short lived I believe !

allegedly Cummins lined out in a north kerry intermediate final for them!

kerry1891 · November 5, 2021, 7:55pm

Malarkey:

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

TheBlackSpot:

Malarkey:

The club was known as Shamrocks between 1972 and 1997. From 1998 onwards, the club became known, in a mysterious but organic fashion, as Ballyhale Shamrocks

This is purely anecdotal and I know next to nothing about the club, except for this, they played Ballycastle McQuillans in an All Ireland club semi final sometime around '79’80. They were billed as Ballyhale Shamrocks. That was a match that I attended. I’ve been trying to get a hold of a friend of mine to see if by any chance he’d have a programme from that game but haven’t been able to get him so far.
Now, that may just have been how Shamrocks were referred to up here in the wee six at that time but it is my clear recollection of it.

As for Frank Cummins - I also remember him playing for Blackrock against Ballycastle in the same competition a couple of years before that. The Blackrock team was studded with All Stars. I remember being told there were 5 or 6 of them. Ray Cummings played that day. The only other I recall is Tom Cashman.

Actually, @Glentaisie may, if he’s old enough, remember this. He’s Ballycastle born, bred and buttered.

You make a great point. I have that programme and was surprised to note, a couple of years ago, exactly the facet you highlight. But that name designation, in truth, was an outlier. Very very rarely happened between 1972 and 1997. I do remember a SKC schools programme in the mid 1990s where the club of our lads was given as ‘Ballyhale Shamrocks’. But, again, very much a rarity.

The club name was sometimes given, during those 25 years, as The Shamrocks. Shamrocks (Ballyhale) was also used at times – as a response, I reckon, to Conahy Shamrocks going Senior in the mid 1970s.

I suspect the club’s original name, formally, was ‘Na Seamróga’. But this facet has been lost, inquiries revealed, in 1970s mists.

I would be happy if the club’s name had not swerved in the late 1990s. But I am a realist and a pragmatist, someone who does not believe you can erase 21 years of history by merely wishing it erased.

And: I dislike the irrational as much as I dislike shit stirrers.

you never mentioned the Ballinclogher holy terrors!! not widely known

As it happens, a hurling club name by which I was amused is Ballyduff’s second team, Lady’s Walk.

It is handy for a few extra tickets come all ireland time!!

TheBlackSpot · November 5, 2021, 8:07pm

I don’t honestly know. However, from the Loughgiel webpage they report in their “History” section:

"The present Loughgiel Shamrock Hurling club came into being about 1915. It was started by Eddie Connolly with the assistance of Harry Connolly, John Campbell and some others from the Magherahoney end of the parish. The first secretary of Loughgiel Shamrocks was Johnny McIntyre, who had just returned from England at that time. "

I see no mention of original designation.

What I would say is that, as far as I know, there’s never been any disputes about the names of teams. Those many, lost years ago, Ballycastle McQuillans were referred to as Ballycastle (or the Town); Loughgiel Shamrocks as Loughgiel, Dunloy Cuchullains as Dunloy (more recently the Hallions lol) etc. The secondary designation seems to me to have become more important in the last 15/20 years.

Fat_Pox · November 5, 2021, 8:12pm

FAO: Kk posters.

How would the game be seen to go at the weekend? Ballyhale don’t seem to have been asked to go into top gear yet in any of their games despite missing a few key men. OLG would be seen to gave the handier side of the draw but have struggled to hit form. They seem to be a team performing to less than the sum of their parts. Deegan in the FFL being a strange move. Comerford is a lucky general though.

Malarkey · November 5, 2021, 8:14pm

Bill was a gent (and most popular at home).

He hurled with Carrickshock for a number of reasons. One reason would have been that he won a Minor County Final with Moonrue, a Hugginstown team, in 1940. Coolmore is not far at all from Hugginstown. Another reason would have been that Kilkenny’s ‘single parish’ rule did not come in until 1954. Talented young hurlers in the county gravitated towards a Senior set up. For people in South Kilkenny in the 1940s, this set up typically meant Carrickshock. The three clubs in the parish of Ballyhale were all Junior during the early 1940s and beyond. Besides, as mentioned, Carrickshock was effectively a fourth club in the parish.

You see, the first Carrickshock club was a Ballyhale Parish outfit. This club was founded in 1928 in Castlegannon NS, which served the Knockmoylan end. 11 Ballyhale natives started on the Carrickshock team that won 1931’s Senor Final, their first title of seven. So the story is pretty clear.

The current club is properly Carrickshock United. This club was formed – in the mid 1960s, I think – by an amalgamation of Carrickshock and St Brendan’s (a Stoneyford club). Carrickshock, where the famous battle was fought, is a townland a little outside Hugginstown in the parish of Aghavillar. From the 1900s onwards, going by newsprint, there was much hubbub in South Kilkenny’s nationalist circles about a memorial to mark the centenary of the Battle of Carrickshock in 1931. Here is the context in which a club founded in 1928 was named. I am still researching but it seems as if the original Carrickshock was essentially an amalgamation of the first Knockmoylan club and a club named Hugginstown.

You have to remember that parish identity in Kilkenny, in a GAA sense at least, did not become pronounced until the late 1950s at the earliest. Here is an intriguing example. James Stephens beat Knocktopher in 1955’s Junior Final. The referee for this game was Jack ‘The Count’ Phelan (Carrickshock). This man was from the parish of Ballyhale, townland of Ballytarsna, and had won a Senior All Ireland with Kilkenny, as a sub, in 1935. Yet there was no objection to him refereeing a County Final involving a club from his own parish. I think there is an obvious (and fascinating) inference about the strength of club identity versus parish identity in the mid 1950s. This situation naturally altered in a fairly rapid way.

Malarkey · November 5, 2021, 8:14pm

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

kerry1891:

Malarkey:

TheBlackSpot:

Malarkey:

The club was known as Shamrocks between 1972 and 1997. From 1998 onwards, the club became known, in a mysterious but organic fashion, as Ballyhale Shamrocks

This is purely anecdotal and I know next to nothing about the club, except for this, they played Ballycastle McQuillans in an All Ireland club semi final sometime around '79’80. They were billed as Ballyhale Shamrocks. That was a match that I attended. I’ve been trying to get a hold of a friend of mine to see if by any chance he’d have a programme from that game but haven’t been able to get him so far.
Now, that may just have been how Shamrocks were referred to up here in the wee six at that time but it is my clear recollection of it.

As for Frank Cummins - I also remember him playing for Blackrock against Ballycastle in the same competition a couple of years before that. The Blackrock team was studded with All Stars. I remember being told there were 5 or 6 of them. Ray Cummings played that day. The only other I recall is Tom Cashman.

Actually, @Glentaisie may, if he’s old enough, remember this. He’s Ballycastle born, bred and buttered.

You make a great point. I have that programme and was surprised to note, a couple of years ago, exactly the facet you highlight. But that name designation, in truth, was an outlier. Very very rarely happened between 1972 and 1997. I do remember a SKC schools programme in the mid 1990s where the club of our lads was given as ‘Ballyhale Shamrocks’. But, again, very much a rarity.

The club name was sometimes given, during those 25 years, as The Shamrocks. Shamrocks (Ballyhale) was also used at times – as a response, I reckon, to Conahy Shamrocks going Senior in the mid 1970s.

I suspect the club’s original name, formally, was ‘Na Seamróga’. But this facet has been lost, inquiries revealed, in 1970s mists.

I would be happy if the club’s name had not swerved in the late 1990s. But I am a realist and a pragmatist, someone who does not believe you can erase 21 years of history by merely wishing it erased.

And: I dislike the irrational as much as I dislike shit stirrers.

you never mentioned the Ballinclogher holy terrors!! not widely known

As it happens, a hurling club name by which I was amused is Ballyduff’s second team, Lady’s Walk.

It is handy for a few extra tickets come all ireland time!!

I see…

Cute Kerry etc.

Fran · November 5, 2021, 8:24pm

Paul Shefflin was some cunt to mark, you’d barely get a sniff of it

Fagan_ODowd · November 5, 2021, 8:53pm

You barely got a sniff of it you mean.

Fran · November 5, 2021, 9:24pm

Exactly that

anon76546466 · November 5, 2021, 9:27pm

The Shamrocks in Waterford are simply known as Shamrocks, not Knockanore Shamrocks or Shamrocks Knockanore, simply ‘Shamrocks’…

Locke · November 5, 2021, 9:29pm

In fairness he’d make my top 20

Fagan_ODowd · November 5, 2021, 9:30pm

I’d occasionally refer to them as Shamrocks Knockanore but never Knockanore Shamrocks.

Malarkey · November 5, 2021, 9:53pm

My point is simply that ‘Shamrocks Ballyhale’, on basis of grammar alone, is nuts.

I see the obsessed on Sewerview cannot grasp this point.

TheBird · November 5, 2021, 9:59pm

Is it as bad as Kiladangan suddenly realising they’d been miss spelling the club name for neigh on 20 years?

Malarkey · November 5, 2021, 10:06pm

Well, you have an interesting reference point there. But it would be of a different order, spelling rather than grammar. How the name of the club generally known as Dunnamaggin should be spelled is probably a better comparison.

Further irritations: Rower-Inistioge rather than The Rower-Inistioge, Oulart-the-Ballagh rather than Oulart-The Ballagh.

PhattPike · November 5, 2021, 10:07pm

That’s a horse of a different colour.

TheBird · November 5, 2021, 10:12pm

His auld lad