Kilkenny Hurling

That’s the point, Casey will always play well when his team is winning by 10points

Fair enough i didn’t see that point being put out there. No one closes the space in croker like kk do. Look at the leinster final last year, a pure wrestling match conpared to thurles a week later

I’m not arguing that Flanagan should have been playing, the concensus was that he is out of form, but rather that Casey in 2019 didn’t offer as much to the team as Flanagan in 2018.

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Mulcahy has completely reinvented his game and he deserves massive credit for it considering he looked done as an intercounty hurler in 2017 with the young talent Limerick had coming through.

He was about the only limerick forward who consistently won dirty ball and emerged from rucks with possession yesterday. A very good team player and an opportunist finisher who works very hard. A lad every forward line needs but he isnt the lad you build a forward line around either.

A bit like Taggy Fogarty with Kilkenny in the 00s. A vital cog but not the main cog

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I thought last season Flanagan could be a really good forward with a bit of work / coaching, but he seems to have gone off the grid altogether?

He looked very much like Callinan when he broke onto the scene. It took the latter a couple of years to really find his feet. Could well be the case here aswell.

Too busy shouting his mouth off in the paper trying to be Billy Big Balls, instead he turned into bollocky bill

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Flanagan was much more like Pat Heffernan

Callinan arrived as not far off a complete player in 2008 and 2009 and then stunk the place out for four years before he hit the lights out in 2014

Dan Shanahan also stunk the place out for a long time before his 2004-2007 golden years

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Im seeing more Callinan to be honest.

I never saw Callinan in him, Callinan was all skill without Flanagan’s aggression while Flanagan was hustle bustle and hard running but rough around the edges technique wise. Two very different propositions at their respective ages.

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Without the first touch though. Callinan, though only a sub on the much vaunted '06 minor winners, had a sublime first touch early in his career, ref his 2 points in '10 final. Agree with @Sidney he fell off the cliff 11/12/13. Since then though… such a pure strike for his goal yesterday

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Lar Corbett had a similar career arch. You could argue something similar about Joe Canning before he went to centre forward but his lows weren’t as low as the other three.

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Lost in all the controversy of the 2008 Munster under 21 final was an outstanding display of leadership by Seamus Callinan, he pretty much beat Clare singlehandedly in that match and was unplayable dragging Tipp back into it but the game is remembered for that fucking eejit of an umpire from Limerick instead.

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Tall, slightly gangly gatch, yellow helmet, socks up and both called Seamus.

Also it’s Callanan
( cc: @Bandage )

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Hope you’re right.

Flanagan was a vital cog in Limericks puck out strategy last year. It was instrumental to their success. Casey and Mulcahy were both similar in stature and offered nothing to that aspect of the game this year. I’m surprised Gillane wasnt used but I suppose they wanted him close to goal at all times.

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What’s Aidan Mullen to Colin fennelly? A first cousin ?

Yes. Mullens mother is a Fennelly. His old man is from the village

I presume they were the fennellys that played in the 80s?