Why should a private school receive any public funding.
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I understand the argument that private schools (and select other public schools like Colaiste Eoin/ Muckross) etc tend to do out-perform the national averages and that this is unfair. That causes and solutions to that could be argued ad-nauseum but Iâm not sure the class of 2020 deserve to be impacted by it. I appreciate that private schools are an easy target but that doesnât make it right.
If the dept of education genuinely believed their new âalgorithmâ was correct then every schools leaving cert marks each year should be graded to the national curve - essentially meaning only a certain % of students in each school could get a H1. Theres not a chance in hell that could be enacted so itâs unclear why this year they think they can do similar.
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Run me through the maths on that.
Not a subsidy. The Government pay for a certain number of teachers.
Why donât you run the numbers on the millions they donât pick up from the public purse from not entering the free sector?
This was pushed by the Irish Times for years and is a lazy way of looking at it. There is also this myth that it only happens in Ireland, when it happens in numerous countries throughout the world.
The mistake is thinking that pure ⏠equals outcomes. As the likes of Muckross and Colaiste Eoin show, thatâs a cod.
The Irish system works better than most. It means that there isnât different tiers for teachers (well there is with the Institute, but thatâs a very small slice of it), which would hollow out public schools of good teachers. The Irish fee paying schools are a mile from English public schools as well, in terms of elitism.
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The State funds private schools to tune of 90m a year.
Those private schools are not available to all to attend. You need to afford and pay fees. If you decide to opt out of public school system the State should not subsidize that.
Itâs like a lad deciding he wonât take the bus to work and asking the State to pay for his petrol on basis he is not taking up a place on the bus.
The reason why private schools exist is because the Government refused to pay for the capital costs that these schools had loaded up on in the 1960s. The Government agreed to pay for the teachers. In recent years, the Government have slashed that ratio.
You need to be a bit more nuanced here.
If we went from 8% in fee paying schools, to 4%, because fees went dramatically up - what would be the outcomes?
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I hate when those diamond shoes are too tight.
Colaiste Eoin heavily stream entrance.
The private school system in Dublin in particular has hollowed out the public school system. Decent public boys or Mixed public Schools in Dublin are hard to find or get into and kids are left traveling long distances every day.
Itâs why traffic is so bad (pre Covid ) once schools go back. Kids live so far away from schools they attend.
Thatâs not what you said though - you said âthe private schools are subsidised by taxpayers whose kids donât attendâ. Thatâs not correct. They are subsidised by all taxpayers. Some who have kids in private schools some who donât and some who donât have kids at all. Some arenât even people, theyâre organisations.
No it has not hollowed out the public schools, because they didnât exist.
You need to look at the history of this.
In the 1950s and 1960s, south Dublin suburbs grew and with it moved a number of city based schools (the likes of Andrews, Alex, High School) along with the construction of new ones. The Government refused to pay for the capital costs of many of these new buildings - the fees they charged were generally higher than the likes of Synge Street CBS and OâConnell School, as they already had facilities. The Government moved then to build new schools and to support only a few, the likes of Colaiste, Eanna, Benildus and Clonkeen. Oatlands originally stayed in the fee paying sector but moved into the free sector when a late deal was struck.
They didnât hollow out anything, the Government wouldnât pay the capital costs. New schools were rolled out. Thatâs what happened.
You are again failing to discuss outcomes. The two schools I mentioned are not the only ones with good results. The vast majority of South Dublin schools, both private and public, outperform the national average. There is generally more higher income workers, a culture of going to college and proximity to colleges.
And proximity to the Institute
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Private schools should be fucked off out of it.
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The Institute is old hat now. The Dublin School of Grinds took a lot of their Southside business.
What do you feel were the main benefits of your private school education? - The education itself or the lifelong network you gain from it?
The wedgies after lights out.
The inability to enjoy crunchy biscuits
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A devotion to the Roman Catholic Church
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Did you mean the Catholic/ Christian faith rather than the Roman Catholic Church?
My socialist ideals makes it difficult for me to allow my lads go to a private school
I may instead put the money into a mobile in Jacks Hole and develop their business network more organically.