Leaving Cert Results

[Julio_Geordio]

@Bandage

A lot of folk seem to be buying that disingenuous “it’s 1 line out of 50,000 lines of code” excuse that I was ridiculing yesterday. Ah sure lookit, they were under fierce pressure (she delayed the results by 3 weeks to ensure it was right) and she admitted the error (a week later when AK47 brought it up during Leader’s Questions). Nobody’s saying it wasn’t a difficult undertaking to get the predicted grades done, but these are really amateur errors that should have been identified at the first review stage.

The kind of thing that EVEN an audit would have caught

[Tank]

I don’t understand how if it’s one line of code it would only affect 6,500 students.

These students had their worst 2 subjects at Junior Cert selected instead of their best two subjects. Why did it only do that for some students but not all?

Look, they bottled the Leaving Cert like they bottled everything else. Now Norma Foley is jamming the kids and teachers in there and not even letting them get tested. Can you imagine how all this will be seen in 20 years time? What historians will say?

[cluaindiuic]

You could change thousands of students lives with one character, let alone, one line.
Replace a < for a > and the whole logic of an algorithm can flip. Without the details it could effect any subset of the total students big or small.

They talked about 2 bugs. 1 was a the “2 best junior cert subjects” thing.
What’s the second? Including Civics?

[Fagan_ODowd]

@Tank

I don’t understand how if it’s one line of code it would only affect 6,500 students.

These students had their worst 2 subjects at Junior Cert selected instead of their best two subjects. Why did it only do that for some students but not all?

Look, they bottled the Leaving Cert like they bottled everything else. Now Norma Foley is jamming the kids and teachers in there and not even letting them get tested. Can you imagine how all this will be seen in 20 years time? What historians will say?

It’s effectively asking the public to believe that for 60,000 students their best two grades were equal to or worse than their worst two grades.

[binkybarnes]

@carryharry

It’s okay, Binky. Vent away but drop the Hindsight routine.

Ok Harry. I’ve always thought you were a cunt.

[tazdedub]

@cluaindiuic

They talked about 2 bugs. 1 was a the “2 best junior cert subjects” thing.
What’s the second? Including Civics?

Yep the second bug was including the subject CPDE (I think that’s the right name) when it should have been excluded.

Either the developers writing the code read the requirements wrong or else the requirements were wrong when the requirements gathering was being done. Did the department provide the signed off requirements to the company and they were wrong there or did the company do the requirements gathering and got them wrong and the department didn’t catch it and signed off on it?

[balbec]

Given the sensitivity they should have been 150% sure of the accuracy before releasing.

[EstebanSexface]

mind boggling. Given the hasty development of such a sensitive project, 160K is ridiculously low. Alarm bells straight away there.

Before you release anything, you give money to an independent body to go in and forensically review the solution. They’ve looked to cheap out and have been absolutely stung. Joke shop stuff

[carryharry]

Going to cost 10 x times more now.

As the saying goes “ buy Cheap buy Twice “.

[Bandage]

@Fagan_ODowd

My guess on this one is that Ashutosh marked one lad down because the “algorithm” didn’t believe that this school could produce two 625 pointers. Of course the names being anonymised meant that the “algorithm” didn’t realise they were identical twins and the first lad into the “algorithm” kept his marks and the second lad in was downgraded.

My take-away here is that, if I ever have twins (identical or otherwise), I need to either send them to different schools or make one of them do transition year to guard against algorithm issues in the predictive grading process in the event of there being a pandemic during Leaving Cert year. The government is getting heat here but this is a basic future proofing failure on the parents’ part.

[flattythehurdler]

@Julio_Geordio

First job out of college is the tricky one. But I’d rather see someone who worked in a shop or something and got 400 points than someone who got 500 and did nothing

I’d go for the one with the biggest tits.

[flattythehurdler]

@EstebanSexface

A traveller?

“What’s a big challenge you’ve overcome”
“I threw travellers out of a bar”
“It doesn’t come much bigger than that”

[flattythehurdler]

@Special_Olympiakos

One of these twins was on liveline yesterday

The clever one, or the thick one?

[PhattPike]

@tazdedub

@PhattPike

Ashutosh bating out code to beat the band and forgetting to exclude CSPE

It may not be Ashutosh’s fault. It could be further up the line with the person responsible for gathering the requirements and if they were wrong why did the department sign off on them.

Albeit sounds like the customer was billed more like how it was supported in this case.

[Bandage]

It’s the little things.

Eamon Ryan repeatedly calling this debacle a “variation” in Leader’s Questions there.

The variation was noticed. The variation was followed up on. Nobody was kept in the dark about this variation.

[Juhniallio]

@Bandage

A lot of folk seem to be buying that disingenuous “it’s 1 line out of 50,000 lines of code” excuse that I was ridiculing yesterday. Ah sure lookit, they were under fierce pressure (she delayed the results by 3 weeks to ensure it was right) and she admitted the error (a week later when AK47 brought it up during Leader’s Questions). Nobody’s saying it wasn’t a difficult undertaking to get the predicted grades done, but these are really amateur errors that should have been identified at the first review stage.

A to the motherfuckin K homeboy. A to the motherfucking K. Actually holding the government to account.

[Copper_pipe]

Minister Norma Foley - speech from 1 Oct 2020

[cluaindiuic]

3 errors now.

[carryharry]

He is some piece of work to be fair, nailing the fuckers weekly.

[Mac]

@Biff_Egan

and the guy from Tipp.

Good choice