Go away you Kerry football cunt.
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10 clubs in senior . 12 in intermediate and the rest in junior TBH . A good divisional junior championship will two teams to quarters .
The current system is failing badly .
From what Iâve seen this year monagea looked the strongest from the west but itâs a lottery really even if you make it out of the west
Kerry have structurally doped in the club game but their club game has been very successful . We donât have the same structures . The club game in Limerick is struggling big time and TBH Na P and. Kilmallock papered over the cracks .
Limerick have strong senior clubs in NAP,Kilmallock,Patrickswell,Doon and Adare.I canât think of many other counties who have an abundance of solid clubs themselves. Cork have the Glen right now but have been weak since the glory days of the 70s and 80s with Blackrock and the Barrs.Tipp obviously have Thurles Sars but they are short odds on every year so not much to beat them there. Clare have the Bridge,Newmarket,Cratloe,Clonlara(perennial chokers) and now Balleyea.Waterford Ballygunner,De la salle,Mount sion.Galway have IMO the most competitive club scene(something which has damaged their intercounty side for years) Portumna,St Thomas,Gort and Sarsfields.Kilkenny have a 12 team championship yet itâs the same 3 or 4 teams there namely Ballyhale,Clara and,O Loughlins gaels.In Wexford Oulart have a monopoly. Offaly club hurling is fucked since Birr were in their pomp and a brief surge from Coolderry.Cuala will dominate in Dublin bar the odd occasion in the next decade.Antrim Loughiel and Cushendall,in short every county with regards senior club hurling is on the same fucking boat,itâs the same names every time.
60+ clubs at junior level⌠I just donât see how that is any better. The Divisional Championships are a bit of a joke at the moment, because theyâre so disproportionate in strength. But youâd probably have to leave them in place in that system, because teams need to have silverware to aim for.
I donât think the current system is perfect, and there are many, many flaws. But why do you say itâs failing badly. What do you see as the aim of the club championship?
Is it to produce hurlers for the Limerick senior team?
Is it just to get people playing the game in numbers?
Is it perception of quality of hurling at different levels?
Or something else entirely?
I just donât see how the Limerick Championship is any worse in that regard than other counties. At our club, we get 5 Championship matches & a shot at promotion if weâre good enough. 7 league games then which no one really gives a fuck about but is a nice bonus if youâre there or thereabouts with a couple of games to go. 5 big games in the year plus knockout, in most counties youâre probably only guaranteed 2.
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Club hurling and football championship do nothing for the county teams in most counties if truth told ,
However I can not see any benefits of a second tier intermediate championship .
It wonât be changed to be honest because a lot of clubs will loose status .
Call me a dinosaur if you like but I remember massive crowds at junior games in the eighties and early nineties . I think there was no intermediate in Limerick till 1989 .
Adare are not a strong senior hurling club.
Iâm not necessarily disagreeing with you, Iâm interested to know what other people think because I do think change is needed.
But I think the most important thing is to identify what the issues actually are; the name of the Intermediate Championship or any Championship is irrelevant.
What youâre sayiing there about the crowds, is that where you think the failure is happening? You donât think enough people are going to games, not enticed by the hurling on display?
They are not the force of before but they are top 6 .
I canât see how Limerick has a second tier intermediate championship when say Galway , Clare , Tipp , Kk donât .
The days of big crowds at club games are gone TBH but if my own club , Kieranâs were playing Tour or Knockadery in a west championship we might get more interest .
Our clubs also might do better in club championships . In the last 5 years there has been a huge disconnect between clubs and co board . It is depressing .
There is that facility in amateur rugby. Players can play dual status with a junior club and a senior club. Some limits on no of games you can play at the higher level, and no of dual status player the senior club can use. In theory it is fine as it gives the better junior player the opportunity to play at a higher level without leaving his club. In practise it works out very poorly for the lower graded club 8 times in 10.
If you wanted to do as you suggest just allow divisional sides made up of non senior club players enter the championship like Cork. Works out well on some divisions others donât make much of an effort.
Dublin does a decent job with itâs hurling club championships IMHO. They have 9 championships - Senior A down to Junior F
16 teams in senior - 4 groups of 4 and pretty much every other championship is a 12 team affair with 2 groups of 6. Guarantees every side 5 championship games and 8 games to win a championship outside of Senior A. Works well from what I have seen
It works fine, until the C@@ts in the Co Board start scheduling the games for the day after or indeed same day as their club games as has happened in Limerick (the last year that Emmets were going well, they scheduled them to play Sunday evening and Blackrock had played Sunday morning - ludicrous!!). They could have allowed all 4 divisions to have a representative team in the Senior HC too, two in each division.
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What limerick gaa need is proper funding for all the clubs. Newcastle west, mungret, monaleen, garryspillane, ahane and at least one other club in the city should be thriving at senior level. Itâs a farce the game is dying in large parts of the county and nobody cares. We donât need lads going from intermediate clubs to senior. Weâve seen it already in kildimo and adare. If Willie griffin had stayed theyâd probably have gone up senior. Lads like Barry o connel and Kyle hayes would have benefitted hugely from this. In turn so would limerick gaa. Has it benefited Declan hannon or John fitz? No. In limerick we always think of the small picture. Never the bigger picture. In recent years tom condon, Richie Mc, Steven walsh and now the likes of Kyle hayes, Colin Ryan and Stephen Cahill show you donât need to be playing senior hurling to make it.
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Hegarty.
Agreed but the good lads (who are not quite good enough for Limerick but good enough to play on a representative team) who play with them on their club teams will certainly improve from playing Senior hurling and in return take that back to the Junior team, raising the standards there too
Not the argument I am making. I suggested that Junior and intermediate players be allowed play senior with a club but also play with their own club. Prem Inter players wouldnât have that option. In fairness I doubt if many Inter or Junior clubs train that much. It would mean restructuring the Inter competition but that isnât rocket science.
Most players upto 21/22 are OK because if they are good enough they will play Inter county underage or colleges hurling. After that they may struggle. Yes you will get a few that will come through but what about all the guys that fall away? I know of two lads that played minor for Limerick but from a club (Fedamore) that can only field a junior B hurling team. You can imagine the amount of hurling they are at. So what do these and there are others. you could say the same for players from Templeglantine, Kileedy (WTF are they doing down there)Currently Gearoid Hegarty is playing Junior hurling with St Pats. He is ok because he is on the county panel but what if he was on the verge of the panel as I am sure there are plenty of guys out there. It is the bigger picture I am looking at and that is Limerick hurling and how to raise the standard. The problem is most guys at co board level are only thinking of their own club so anything that might mitigate against the likes of Kilmallock, Patrickwell etc is shot down.
The days of club hurling mattering towards county teams are long long gone . Nowadays there are development squads , minor, u17 , Celtic challenge, college , 3rd level where players are nurtured .
The club game is really struggling in Limerick if truth told . It needs rejuvenation .
The game is near enough a thing of the past in the west .
Its exactly why the system must change. If the likes of Griffin could have played with Kildimo and Adare at the same time it would stop guys from coming up with spurious excuses to transfer