I think weāre trying to make backs out of attacking players to cover the deficiencies. Allis, King, Seanie OāBrien and now Hannon have/are been/being used as defenders whilst the likes of Alan Dempsey, Tom Ryan and Richard English are outside the panel. Weāve tried a ball of forwards and still have Downes and Graeme Mul to return, with Gavin a possibility up front also. The panel is pretty lopsided and I hope itāll be reviewed after the league.
You can certainly make a strong argument that 1B is a far better place to be in terms of experimenting with players. However 1A offers a greater consistency of challenge and teams like Limerick (and Wexford) need to be facing these games more regularly. Both counties have benefited from coming in under the radar for the last couple of years. That element of surprise is no more, however, and to kick on, both counties (along with Waterford) would be better off in the higher grade.
Agree, but we pretty much had to select the only 6 available forwards at stages this league. The lack of cover for the backs was well flagged. Allis at least has plenty experience as a back. OāBrien is baffling ahead of Carmody, Dempsey, King. If you were Dempsey or Carmody would you bother coming back if invited? Itās been made clear theyāll never be rated enough to start. Thatās the only real criticism I have of this management set up so far. Likely they wonāt be available anyway if they were to be invited back. English was involved for a time last year, surprised heās not there this year. Ryan appears to have been given every chance. I reckon the only possible changes will be the additions of the 4 lads doing the Leaving that have already been name checked. And maybe one or two extra Kilmallock lads, OāDonnell, OāSullivan.
[QUOTE=is Brandenberg Kremmen, post: 1105917, member: 1624"]Itās clear from teams selected to date that the league is being used for experimentation, with little emphasis being placed on promotion.
Congratulations to Waterford on a swift return to Div 1A.
Weāre facing a sixth season outside the top tier. I only hope it comes right for the championship.[/QUOTE]
It may actually suit us though in 1b again. We are well able to get up 2 championship pace when Munster starts and we could give the likes of Ryan, nash, English , r lynh & sum1 at Cb. Lot of players being mentioned but what about Walsh. Strong, great positional sense and does the simple thing?
Yeah, thatās about the height of it. On the Kilmallock boys, Iād have Bryan Sul like a shot but I donāt think OāDonnell is anywhere near the level required and isnāt going to dislodge anyone thatās already there.
Not sure Brian Sul would go. He is a doctor and may not have the time.
Seanie o b is twice the player of carmody as a corner back or corner forward.
I agree with previous post. Seanie OāBrien is a better back, midfielder and forward than Carmody. A versatile hurler who is starting to show his worth to the panel.
We will see how Hannon goes at 6 but I detest the fact he is even being considered there. Throw Graham Mul corner back while we are at it for fuck sake.
[QUOTE=āBreaking my balls, post: 1106022, member: 2493ā]I agree with previous post. Seanie OāBrien is a better back, midfielder and forward than Carmody. A versatile hurler who is starting to show his worth to the panel.
We will see how Hannon goes at 6 but I detest the fact he is even being considered there. Throw Graham Mul corner back while we are at it for fuck sake.[/QUOTE]
Ludicrous post. He has played cb a lot underage and is very comfortable there. He has never looked comfortable at half forward.
We donāt have a centre back, and have options upfront.
Itās a fucking league match, whatās the harm in trying? Worse case scenario itās a disaster and he goes back to the forwards. Best case scenario weāve found someone to fill the most important position on the field
[QUOTE=āJulio Geordio, post: 1106028, member: 332ā]Ludicrous post. He has played cb a lot underage and is very comfortable there. He has never looked comfortable at half forward.
We donāt have a centre back, and have options upfront.
Itās a fucking league match, whatās the harm in trying? Worse case scenario itās a disaster and he goes back to the forwards. Best case scenario weāve found someone to fill the most important position on the field[/QUOTE]
Same was said when Waterford put Ken to 6 and that seemed to worth out ok. Overreaction here I agree.
[QUOTE=āJulio Geordio, post: 1106028, member: 332ā]Ludicrous post. He has played cb a lot underage and is very comfortable there. He has never looked comfortable at half forward.
We donāt have a centre back, and have options upfront.
Itās a fucking league match, whatās the harm in trying? Worse case scenario itās a disaster and he goes back to the forwards. Best case scenario weāve found someone to fill the most important position on the field[/QUOTE]
He didnāt look comfortable last year v KK in the half forward line when scoring 0-5 from play? I have repeatedly said he should be played at11 and nowhere else,suits him perfectly. I agree he does not be as effective on the wing.
Can you please remind me of the underage games he played there for Limerick where he looked comfortable/played well at 6?
He had a spell at 6 for ASR but was moved back up to 11 if memory serves me right.
Lads, the league isnāt worth a flying fuck at the end of the day. Whether we get promoted or not Iām not going to get too up or too down.
Obviously would be nicer to be up in 1A - and Iāll be hoping Wexford can do us a favour - but it matters little at the end of the day.
Come out and beat Clare and all will be well. Lose and they (according to back page man) will have done everything wrong since last august.
Itās the middle of March, way too early to be making definite judgements. Personally think itās madness to have Hannon at centre back but the time to try this out is now.
[QUOTE=āJulio Geordio, post: 1106028, member: 332ā]Ludicrous post. He has played cb a lot underage and is very comfortable there. He has never looked comfortable at half forward.
We donāt have a centre back, and have options upfront.
Itās a fucking league match, whatās the harm in trying? Worse case scenario itās a disaster and he goes back to the forwards. Best case scenario weāve found someone to fill the most important position on the field[/QUOTE]
Thatās just not true to be fair, he ran riot against Dublin in 2011 from wing-forward, had a good league that year too; and against Kilkenny & Wexford last year, I think he proved that centre-forward is his best position. I donāt like him in the inside line really, heās the type of player that needs to be involved as much as possible.
The move to centre-back is worth a go because if it does work, itāll be a boost, but I think weāll miss him up front all the same. And I have my doubts whether he has the defensive attributes for a top class intercounty 6. No one in their right mind would question his hurling and heās very physical. Ability to get the better of a ballwinner like Bonner Maher? I donāt knowā¦
Itās worth a go considering itās our weakest line, it could prove to be the answer. Either way though, he needs to play some top opposition there I think because he could very easily go well against Offaly and be destroyed in the Championship.
[QUOTE=āAristotle, post: 1106038, member: 2949ā]Thatās just not true to be fair, he ran riot against Dublin in 2011 from wing-forward, had a good league that year too; and against Kilkenny & Wexford last year, I think he proved that centre-forward is his best position. I donāt like him in the inside line really, heās the type of player that needs to be involved as much as possible.
The move to centre-back is worth a go because if it does work, itāll be a boost, but I think weāll miss him up front all the same. And I have my doubts whether he has the defensive attributes for a top class intercounty 6. No one in their right mind would question his hurling and heās very physical. Ability to get the better of a ballwinner like Bonner Maher? I donāt knowā¦
Itās worth a go considering itās our weakest line, it could prove to be the answer. Either way though, he needs to play some top opposition there I think because he could very easily go well against Offaly and be destroyed in the Championship.[/QUOTE]
This sums it up. I think he is a natural forward, a half forward particularly. But he works out at 6 it could be a massive addition to the team. OāMahony and Downes could fill the hole left behind at half forward, with OāGrady, Lynch and Breen weāre not stuck for half forwards. Worst case scenario it doesnāt work out and we revert to what we know, wayne at 6 and Hannon at 11.
[QUOTE=āBreaking my balls, post: 1106034, member: 2493ā]He didnāt look comfortable last year v KK in the half forward line when scoring 0-5 from play? I have repeatedly said he should be played at11 and nowhere else,suits him perfectly. I agree he does not be as effective on the wing.
Can you please remind me of the underage games he played there for Limerick where he looked comfortable/played well at 6?
He had a spell at 6 for ASR but was moved back up to 11 if memory serves me right.[/QUOTE]
How many poor games did he have before that? Iām not saying he is bad at half forward, but as others have alluded to he needs maximum involvement in the game. I think he is better facing the ball, but thatās just my opinion. As I said what is there to lose.
TJ is going to revolutionise hurling with the attacking centre back.
Speculation: Fitz at corner forward suggests a two man inside line again. If Hannon at centre back works out then, wayne shifts to 5, condon stays on the other wing and Gavin is released to half forward. Downes can then be ran at centre forward, and Breen or OāGrady on the other wing. Thatās a powerful half forward line that can win ball, run, and score (although the Na P two would be nowhere near Hannonās level for scoring points from distance). If weāre playing the two man inside line set up then Lynch is perfect for the loose forward, good eye for a score and incredible vision to set up teammates for scores, and would have less donkey work to do which he may not be physically ready for just yet.
They are falling apart.
[QUOTE=āRamblerRED, post: 1106113, member: 2806ā]http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-set-to-be-without-colm-galvin-this-summer-1.2137710
They are falling apart.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to two weeks ago!
[QUOTE=āRamblerRED, post: 1106113, member: 2806ā]http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-set-to-be-without-colm-galvin-this-summer-1.2137710
They are falling apart.[/QUOTE]
You know whatāll happen though - theyāll be relegated but come out and beat us in May.
Davy rolling around on the pitch at full time, screaming and roaring that everyone wrote them boys off. So they did. But I know what them boys are like. So I do. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=ādodgy-keeper, post: 1106122, member: 1552ā]You know whatāll happen though - theyāll be relegated but come out and beat us in May.
Davy rolling around on the pitch at full time, screaming and roaring that everyone wrote them boys off. So they did. But I know what them boys are like. So I do. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
But then youāll be in the advantageous position of being written off and you can win the All Ireland via the qualifier route. Itās imperative to be written off. All Ireland titles are rarely won without it.