As in limiting who gets in based upon performance?
Yeah certainly the two Dublin schools do
And the Limerick girls still beat their asses every year 
Itâs a bigger general point. The Institute shows the exam can be gamed.
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That doesnât seem to be what the Colaiste Eoin admission policy says
http://eoin.eoiniosagain.ie/Content/2019/3/Admissions_Policy_Yr_1_20202021.pdf
Basically to get in you need to be a brother, son of a past pupil and attending a gaelscoil or going to some local gaelscoils.
If you could show me the performance element Iâd be grateful to learn more.
When I was in third class I had to deliver a message to another classroom. I walked in and the teacher was trying to open a parcel tied with string.
She looked me dead in the eye and asked me if I had a knife on me.
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Jesus - watching the news there now . A few kids from ballyfermot going to Trinity College . 2020 eh
By gamed you mean put in a shit load of work into an exam that has a pre-cooked syllabus and answer questions through rote learning in a way that examiners like?
Is that not what most schools are doing to prepare the LC cycle. Is the issue that all the schools which arenât at the top of the league tables are full of Dead Poet Society types taking a different approach?
Itâs quite a different argument to saying the system is rigged by the way.
I put my son in The Institute last year as he had been having some problems and wanted to leave the school he was in, I felt putting him in there gave him a good chance of getting a decent LC and hopefully a college place and get him back on track. Turns out he didnât get his 1st choice despite having in excess of 100 points more than he needed because he needed a H4 in English and was given a H6 despite averaging around 70% in his coursework etc. Monday will be interesting to see what grade the school gave him. Hope it stays fine for some of the sneery cunts on here and theirs.
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And rightly so too. Jumped up cunts whining on Liveline. Show a bit of stoicism you pricks.
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Fuck âum. Lifeâs not perfect, no matter how much you try to guarantee it so for you kids. A few knocks does em no harm.
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Life is indeed an uphill battle against the wind. Just as you reach the summit an Exocet missile cuts off your arm. You gotta regroup and plough on.
These lessons are best learned at a young age. There are myriads of traps, education, employment, life partners, kids, promotions, house changes, family occasions, rejections, fuck-ups, separations, illness, death.
A few points gone astray when your 18 isnât the end really. Water always finds its own level.
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Institute have it totally gamed. I got the geography notes 25 years ago from a mate the year before and walked out with A2 with little interest in the subject. They have it boxed off to a tee.
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You do your kids no favours preventing them from learning lifeâs great lessons. Generation snowflake are finding that out now
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Snowplough parenting gives us snowflakes.
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Snowplough parenting is a new one on me. Good description.
I think it has to be the case. Even in the toughest schools each class would have a handful of students doing their best often under difficult circumstances. They might not be looking for 620 points but they could be looking for 350 or 400 to get into an IT. If these kids had their points cut because of their schoolâs demographic that would probably end their third level aspirations for good.
It is unfair but what the government have done is the lesser of 2 evils imho. Finally, itâs been a badly kept secret for years that paying the likes of The Institute is paying for access to the exam questions. The sooner a light is shined on this sort of bollox acting the better.
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I donât disagree but I donât think theyâre doing anything particularly underhand or using info not available to every other teacher/pupil in the country. Theyâve got a motivated student-body and theyâve studied the predictable patterns of the LC and equipped students how best to navigate it. That option is open to any teacher.
You could argue that the LC should be far less predictable and less about rote learning. Iâm unconvinced that would change much in terms of which schools outperform/underperform though.
At least you admit this algorithm is âunfairâ.
If each class had a handful of students (your words) who got 350-400 points or higher each year then by definition normalising results to previous patterns along with across the board grade inflation wouldnât disadvantage them.
I know a lad who sat the leaving cert 3 times. First time he failed almost everythingâŚsecond time in the institute he scraped a pass in most subjectsâŚand the third time in the institute again he cobbled together enough points to do a science degree. This lad is now a GP after paying to do it in balbecs neck of the woods. Moral of the story is if youâre a thick lazy cunt try and try again and it helps if your parents can pay for the privilege.
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