[quote=“ClarkeyCat”]Are you a United fan TT? I think Kuyt and Benayoun are good enough to be part of a title winning squad and were unlucky not to be last season. I’d rather have Kuyt or Benayoun over, say, Valencia, Nani, Malouda, Kalou.
Nobody is denying they haven’t been part of a title winning side but you’re opining that they’re not good enough the same as others are claiming they are. Don’t try and cloud that.[/quote]
I’m a kind of United fan Clarkey:D More of a Ronaldo fan that doesn’t know what to do now:D
They haven’t done it though Clarkey - not yet anyway - thats the difference.
Its interesting though that you would choose to compare and contrast with this years United and Chelsea wingers. These players are trying to prove themselves in this years league - we cannot say who is going to win this years league yet. What we can do though is compare Kuyt and Benayoun with their opposite numbers from the previous years league winning sides.
Utd - Ronaldo, Giggs and more often than not Rooney.
But presumably you would suggest that Man Utd or Chelsea will win the league? In which case you think that the Utd/Chelsea wingers I mentioned are good enough to be part of a title winning side?
Time will tell there Clarkey. Whoever wins the League deserves it. When they win it, the opinion that says they are/might be good enough to win it becomes fact.
They hammered United in Old Trafford in a game they had to win to keep their title hopes alive. That left them about six points behind United and another slip up would have meant that they would have been out of it. They won each of their games emphatically and it was clear that United were feeling the pressure, losing to Fulham and almost to a demoralised Villa side. As I said that Macheda goal was the turning point as United had lost their two previous games to that. Still Liverpool had to keep winning and they did and United almost slipped up again to Spurs. The Arsenal game for Liverpool was the slip up but Arsenal are a good side and to come back from being 4-3 down in injury time to snatch a draw showed what the team was about then.
I am generally Liverpool’s biggest critic but I was hugely impressed with them is the run up to the end of the season. The damage had been done before that with the home draws but they found themselves in a position in March where they had to win every game to do it, and they nearly did.
No, they are not good enough. Winning the title with these players playing regularly would prove me wrong, as would consistantly challanging for the title with these players regularly playing.
Farmer,
A League Title is won over the full season, not just 12 games. If we were to lose your logic then the Manchester United Vintage team of the January/February period of 2008 was the Greatest Team ever as they went on an 10/11 game winning streak without even conceding a goal.
I’m trying to see where farmer said it was a great season? as far as I can make out, he said it was a great run in, ie 12 games. I dont think anyone would be foolish enough to think 12 games make a season, and it would be hard to qualify last year as a great year for Liverpool after winning nothing and fooking up so much at home with draws against weaker sides. by the same token, its hard to argue that it wasnt a great run in, Liverpool had a good spell of games, but thats about it. It was positive signs for this year that hasnt come to pass.
They hammered United in Old Trafford in a game they had to win to keep their title hopes alive. That left them about six points behind United and another slip up would have meant that they would have been out of it. They won each of their games emphatically and it was clear that United were feeling the pressure, losing to Fulham and almost to a demoralised Villa side. As I said that Macheda goal was the turning point as United had lost their two previous games to that. Still Liverpool had to keep winning and they did and United almost slipped up again to Spurs. The Arsenal game for Liverpool was the slip up but Arsenal are a good side and to come back from being 4-3 down in injury time to snatch a draw showed what the team was about then.
I am generally Liverpool’s biggest critic but I was hugely impressed with them is the run up to the end of the season. The damage had been done before that with the home draws but they found themselves in a position in March where they had to win every game to do it, and they nearly did.[/quote]
Yeah but there was no pressure on them really. They’d nothing to lose and won plenty of games and showed good form but I don’t think it told an awful lot about their championship credentials. Anytime they’ve been in front they’ve displayed a lack of resolve.
Not taking away from a good run of matches last season, I just don’t think it was particularly relevant that it happened at the end of the season because they’d already lost the league by then.
They have a feature with Jamie Carragher on the HMS Illustrious air carrier. An ex-international who quit his country because he was too far down the pecking order.
[quote=“Rocko”]
Not taking away from a good run of matches last season, I just don’t think it was particularly relevant that it happened at the end of the season because they’d already lost the league by then.[/quote]
We know that NOW, because we know United didn’t slip up sufficiently to lose the league. But surely you admit that we didn’t know this all the time. “Having a feeling that those draws would come back to haunt them” isn’t the same as KNOWING the league was effectively already won by the time Liverpool went to OT and won.
Now I admit that I didn’t think they’d win it even after the result at OT, but I’m sure plenty of Liverpool players, management, and fans looked at the results - 6 points against United, 6 points against Chelsea - and thought to themselves “we are still in this” - and that brings its own pressures. Just because there was little or no outside pressure - in terms of being bookies favs at any stage or anything - doesn’t mean there was no pressure at all.
Torres really is the main man, that was a beauty. Held Rio off far too easily though.