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Ratoath South as itâs affectionately known
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Hopefully they barred that cunt with the âOh Mane Maneâ song.
Liverpool fans booed the national anthem on Saturdayy, thatâs right folks, Liverpool whose prominence as a city is all down to slave trading and whose inhabitants were happy to take the ill begotten gains from this are now anti UK 
cue the Oirish footix defending Liverpoolâs slave past
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why do you care that football fans in the UK booed a song for the monarchy? surely youâd be for that, not against it? I know TFK is built on being able to twist and turn, but you must be spinning here.
Liverpool have you defending God save the queen now. Jurgen Klopp has mentally destroyed you. Take a bit of time off to reflect on things
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Why are fans of a club founded by a leading member of the Orange Order booing thr future head of their Church?
Bizarre behaviour.
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@Little_Lord_Fauntleroy and @croppy_boy defending the British monarchy and calling for respect for the British anthem to try and have a go at Liverpool and Coach Klopp
Weâve reached peak rattled.
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Here come the united fans
i love the mental gymnastics of the footix
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agreed
Slave Trade FC are up in arms about some simple truths
I know the forum is built on footixs and inanities and picking one side over the other, but this piece is a decent mix of the history of the city and why the anthem is booed.
The contrast between Boris Johnson and Jurgen Klopp could not be starker. The Liverpool manager would make a great statesman. He is honest, takes responsibility, cares about people in worse situations than himself and does his best to contribute to a wider society.
The prime minister is the polar opposite.
When Klopp talks politics, it makes sense. When Johnson pontificates about football, itâs more of the same bluster that has characterised his entire career. On Monday, according to certain sections of the media, Johnson âslapped downâ Klopp because the 54-year-old suggested it might be worth at least exploring the reasons why Liverpool fans booed the national anthem and the Queenâs grandson before the FA Cup final on Saturday. A spokesman said the prime minister disagreed with Klopp and called the behaviour of the supporters a âgreat shame.â It takes some fairly deranged spin to see this as a slap-down. Klopp probably hasnât even noticed heâs supposed to have been put in his place.
Like Klopp and Johnson, those who booed the anthem and those who were angered by the jeering are unlikely to find common ground. Will there ever be a time when Liverpool supporters embrace the patriotic experience?
The prime ministerâs spokesman talked about shame, an emotion Johnson knows little about. He hasnât any. Or empathy. The Spectatorâs attack on Merseyside when under the 57-year-oldâs editorship in 2004 is well known. The editorial column said that the people of Liverpool âsee themselves whenever possible as victims, and resent their victim status; yet at the same time they wallow in it.â The article went on to repeat lies about Hillsborough.
What is less well known is Johnsonâs supposed mea culpa in the next edition of The Spectator. Headlined âWhat I Should Say Sorry For,â the piece was written from âa cold, damp three-star hotel in Liverpoolâ after the old Etonian was ordered to travel north to apologise by Michael Howard, who was then the leader of the Conservative Party (and a Liverpool fan, much to the embarrassment of many Kopites).
âOperation Scouse-grovel,â as the author describes it, is as obscene as the previous editorial. Johnson doubled down. He wrote: âWhatever its mistakes of facts and taste, for which I am sorry, last weekâs leading article made a good point: about bogus sentiment, self-pity, risk, and our refusal to see that we may sometimes be the authors of our misfortunes.â
Almost every week Liverpool supporters hear the echo of the words of the man who holds the highest political office in the UK. âYou killed your own fans.â âAlways the victims.â âThe Sun was right, youâre murderers.â
Is there a more âbogus sentimentâ than becoming emotional about a national anthem? The royal family are the cornerstone of the class system. The idolisation of a dynastic institution that is completely distanced from ordinary people is bewildering for a large proportion of Liverpool supporters, especially those who have a close-up view of the growing poverty in the UK. The Fans Supporting Foodbanks initiative was founded outside Goodison Park and Anfield â it often gets overlooked that Evertonians are on the receiving end of anti-Scouse invective, too. Supporters of club after club come to Merseyside and rejoice in songs that mock poverty. Some Chelsea fans were chanting about hunger on Saturday. The Liverpool end booed institutional, inherited privilege. Guess which one the nation was outraged by? That was two days before the Governor of the Bank of England warned of âapocalypticâ rises in food prices.
Hunger is at the centre of the historic perception of the people of Liverpool. The port, once known as âTorytownâ and âthe second city of the empire,â first fell out of step with the rest of England after the Potato Famine. Millions of starving Irish landed on the banks of the Mersey. Many stayed. The âotheringâ of Liverpool stretches back to the mid-19th century.
What does this have to do with football? A lot. The word âScouseâ is an insult that was reappropriated by those it was used against. In the poorest areas of Liverpool a century ago, the malnourished residents â who were the children of immigrants and who mainly identified as Irish â relied on soup kitchens and cheap street vendors for food. What they were served was Scouse, a watery stew. Scouser was a pejorative term used to mock the poorest. When âFeed the Scousers,â echoes around stadiums it is expressing a deep folk memory that is imbued with anti-migrant and anti-Irish sentiment. Those chanting it may not be conscious of the history, but the driving forces for their behaviour can be traced back down many decades. Nowhere else is poverty sneered at in this way by outsiders. No one sings âFeed the Geordiesâ or âFeed the Mancsâ even though other places have much more deprived areas. No wonder citizens of Liverpool are triggered by the chants.
In these circumstances, it is hard to make a case for Scousers to do anything more than boo the national anthem. And then we get to Hillsborough. Britain should still be in a state of uproar about the 1989 disaster that led to the deaths of 97 people. Senior policemen and high-level politicians lied about what happened, covered up the mistakes of officials and threw the blame at innocent supporters. The national press, by and large, amplified the Establishment narrative or failed to provide adequate scrutiny of the authorities. A substantial percentage of the British public still will not accept the findings of the longest, most exhaustive inquests in the countryâs history. To cap it all, the policemen responsible for the mass death and the cover-up were acquitted of any wrongdoing â even after some of those individuals admitted their culpability in legal settings. Now the biggest miscarriage of justice in the nationâs history is being reduced to football banter. What a country. Play that anthem again so we can all join in.
The FA got off lightly, too. The ruling body held a semi-final at a ground that did not have a safety certificate. Tottenham Hotspur fans had a near miss eight years earlier on the same Leppings Lane terraces where the carnage occurred in 1989. For those whining that Abide With Me was disrupted, the FA did nothing to abide with the bereaved and survivors of an avoidable catastrophe at one of their showpiece games.
The events of the weekend illustrated just how toxic the attitudes towards Hillsborough have become. Family members of the dead were abused heavily on social media by trolls who used Saturdayâs events as an excuse to harass those who have fought, in vain, for justice.
So what would it take to stop Liverpool supporters interrupting the national anthem? Thereâs a simple answer: donât play it. We donât want to hear it. Contempt oozes out of every word, every note.
And we donât want to hear any complaints about Scousers not showing respect. The booing is a cry for justice, for equality, a howl against hunger and poverty. It is depressing that so many in Britain cannot hear that. Klopp heard it. Johnson never will.
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Why are you defending the British monarchy and establishment pal?
.â âAlways the victims.â - this is about Heysel i think, some whitewashing that its not mentioned
why are you defending the slave trade?
always the victims is not, nor ever has been about Heysel. No Liverpool fan was a victim of Heysel so why would they be considered a victim? 14 Liverpool fans were jailed for their actions and the club suspended from European football. There were not victims from Liverpool in Heysel, only innocent Juventus fans.
Always the victim, murdering your own etc is only about one thing and one thing only. Ands its a real scumbag thing to chant. âBanterâ about people dying is truly footix behaviour, and one Iâd rarely comment on here about.
its never your fault clearly is about how the liverpool fans justify the actions of heysel