nope, you are correct as is the manager of Luxembourg
relying on a shane duffy header to beat a team that are crap isnt the brave new world we were promised
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Found out?? Iâd like to see you measure this, put parameters around it?
Would found out mean reverting to playing terrible football? Because weâve done that before under previous shitball regimes
Would it mean not qualifying for a major tournament? Because weâve failed to do that before under previous shitball regimes
Would it mean qualifying for a major tournament before being completely outclassed? Because thatâs happened under previous shitball regimes.
Youâre talking scutter. Stick to the Tinder.
Found out would mean failure to qualify for the Euros, finishing bottom of their Nations League group.
I think the football they have played is quite ordinary, Iâll give him leeway for that as he has ordinary players as had his predecessors. You seem to sound like Ireland are playing like Brazil, from what I have seen of their recent games, they have improved from the absolute dirge they did in the earlier games and are now playing at a mediocre standard.
Bascially Kenny has brought Ireland from to the their lowest point after taking over from McCarthy and has probably now got them back to the level they were at before he took over. He now needs to see progress from here.
Iâd give him a 4/10 so far. I just find it utterly baffling the double standards at play.
Maybe if Martin OâNeill didnât treat the press and journalists with absolute contempt and utter disdain theyâd have been nicer to him
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Why should he be nice to him when they treat them so badly?
Why did McCarthy and Trap get the same treatment?
Seems the Irish football press is incapable of showing balance and fair play. They are incapable of looking at things objectively.
I donât remember Trap getting minced. McCarthy certainly never got rounded on. There may have been criticisms but they were justifiable.
Kenny hasnât gotten a free ride at all. There were loads calling for his head after the poor start.
The only double standards on show are as usual, yours, from the massive chip you carry around on your shoulder
You donât remember that. They were subject to a prolonged campaign from the Irish press, all three of Trap, MON, McCarthy were regularly castigated and under fire from the Irish print journalist cabal.
that is utter bullshitâŚ
Hereâs Mick Hucknall going after Big Mick.
The same guy was Kennyâs biggest cheerleader as they went from car crash to car crash.
Itâs objective to say that Kenny was not given incredible goodwill and support from the sports hacks compared to the derision Trap, MON, McCarthy got for doing infinitely better. Itâs delusional to say there isnât double standards there.
He did, routinely at every international window. Mainly due to some new cause celebre he wouldnât play such as Man United reserve Darren Gibson or a teenage James McCarthy despite both lads showing they werenât ready any time they played for Ireland under him. The stick he got for playing Paul Green.
Andy Reid was another and Wes Hoolihan. Granted he could have used Wes more but given that Robbie Keane was our main man and we needed to play 4-4-2 to get the best out of him and we had solid partners for him in the likes of Doyle and Long I understand why he plumbed to build around Robbie in a 4-4-2 rather than build around Wes or Andy in a 4-2-3-1
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have you no concept of the linear notion of time? were OâNeill, Trapattoni and McCarthy all given time before being turned on, genuinely when their time was up? Trapattoni was fawned over, OâNeill too at the beginning. OâNeill soured everything to do with Irish soccer by the time he was gone.
There was a general consensus that Big Mick was on a hiding to nothing coming back in on a short deal
Kenny was struggling to hold on to his job until there was an upturn in his results. He was under serious pressure
No need for name-callingâŚ
that was Dunphy mainly with the Wes and Andy Reid stuff. Trapattoni got criticized towards the end of his tenure alright because we were absolutely abject and he had fuck all interest in developing a system or players.
The same will happen with Kenny, if things donât turn around, theyâll turn on him too, to think otherwise, youâd have to be incredibly naĂŻve or have a huge chip on your shoulder about Kenny for some reason.
It wasnât just Dunphy though. Offtheball were constant in their nitpicking and criticism of his selections. He got a lot of stick through the first couple of campaigns which was unwarranted. His style and methodology was what it was
He deserved the criticism for the WC2014 campaign which was a disaster and he stayed one campaign too long.
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Not really no.
They were turned on very, very quickly.
McCarthyâs spell had less games than Kenny. Results wise he did a lot better than Kenny.
Kennyâs record is
P20 W4 D8 L8
In competitive games itâs
P15 W2 D6 L7
And heâs getting some fanfare for overseeing a shambolic campaign that got a few average results when there was nothing to play for.
Iâd just saying the goodwill and hype he is getting is absolutely absurd, if you look at things on a consistent basis and the criticism his three predecessors endured with better results then he should be under immense pressure.
Weâre playing great football mate, row in.
Itâs not great football though, itâs pretty basic average football, no better than what they played at their peak under the previous three managers.
@Breaking_my_balls saying beating the likes of Germany & Italy are the dark old days while getting 3 points out of 6 from Luxembourg are the glory days
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I would have thought that the concept of requiring a capitalist tax evader (with numerous FFG connections) to subsidise the salary of international football managers would be abhorrent to a republican communist?
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If Trap had picked Travers over Bazuna in Serbia or left out Omabamidele for the Azerbaijan game given how he performed away to Portugal beforehand and Serbia a few days later the mediaâs reaction would have been far different to what it was to Kenny making those calls.
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