Madeline McCann Thread

This is correct, you did.

You have a woeful attitude for someone so simple minded.

You have not got a clue what happened. No one knows except a few who are not saying.

The McCanns did not just delete messages, for space.

These speculations fit in significant part with the cadaver dog evidence and certain other circumstantial details. But there are lacunae. There most certainly are. The whole event is in significant part a mystery as well as a tragedy.

And it’s fair the Assume they were inundated with messages and calls once the alarm was raised.

Like - Well, did you find her? Did you try under the bed?

I presume family and friends back in England would be in contact? Or could you make international calls off mobiles back then?

And here are various nubs and counterarguments to these speculations – albeit made by a crank. There are many lacunae:

Peter wanted to keep his theory as short and simple as possible, using Occam. He did write: “And so the conspiracy was hatched”… He merely described what he believes is ‘How’ and ended with not knowing the answer to ‘Why’.

Of course, all this (below) needs to be taken into account, when thinking about the ‘Why’, which is based on research already on this forum:

Here is a list (not necessarily exhaustive) of the questions which we must ask about that week’s events:

When was Murat asked to come over to Praia da Luz?

By whom was he asked?

Why was he asked? And moreover, why would there be that prodigious effort to rush over to Praia da Luz by literally dozens of Foreign Office staff, Ambassadors, Consuls and their staff, police officers, lawyers, MI5, security service staff, criminal profilers, advisers, counsellors, Control Risks etc.? Was something much more serious behind her death?

What was Murat REALLY doing on the Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, when he lied at least 17 times about his movements on those days?

Did he already know the McCanns? Since when had he known them?

Why were hairs of his haplotype found in Wojchiech Krokowski’s holiday apartment?

How do we account for the crèche records showing that Madeleine was at the crèche all week?

Did Cat Baker agree to forge the records that week?

Who else at the Ocean Club/Mark Warner knew that she was forging those records? (if she was)

What is the role of Wojchiech Krokowski in all of this?

What is the role of Nuno Lourenco in all this?

When was Nuno Lourenco told to ‘frame’ Krokowski?

When were Nuno Lourenco and Jane Tanner both briefed to come up with the same description of an abductor? (based on Krokowski) – ‘not a tourist’, ‘cloth clothes’, ‘classic shoes, same height, build and age etc. etc.

Who co-ordinated and planned the Nourenco/Krokowski deception?

When did Nuno Lourenco take a photo of Krokowski’s car on his mobile ‘phone?

Was Krokowski a ‘willing patsy’? – or did he really have no idea he was being framed?

Why were hairs of the same haplotype as Jane Tanner found in Krokowski’s holiday flat.

Was Krokowski a paedophile? Why did he readily admit to The People in 2015 that he liked taking pictures of children on holiday?

What really happened on the Sunday?

Was the Make-Up Photo taken on Sunday 29 April?

Was Madeleine already being ‘dressed up’ on Sunday lunchtime? (pink smock, hair beads)

Where was Madeleine that Sunday afternoon? Was she really in the crèche that day?

Where was the Make-Up Photo taken?

Why the sudden rush to book a table every night at the Tapas restaurant?

Was it because they needed a private room to discuss what had happened to Madeleine?

Why the immediate change of routine on the Monday morning: breakfast and lunch in their own apartment instead of at the Millennium

On Sunday evening, did they all ‘dine out’, whether or not there was a ‘checking regime’ in place?

After Sunday, did they ever have a ‘checking regime’ in place? Or was it just a ‘checking charade’ on the Thursday night?)

When and where did the McCanns, the Tapas 7 and any other ‘advisers’ meet to plot the abduction hoax on the Thursday night?

Remember that all these elements of the abduction hoax had to be in place before Thursday evening:

A Faked abduction scene in the children’s bedroom
B Nuno Lourence told to lie about Krokowski
C Jane Tanner also given a description of Krokowski
D A plausible cover story to explain how Madeleine could have been left alone (the half-hourly checking regime)
E A detailed regime of checking on the Thursday evening
F Someone looking after all the children on that Thursday evening
G The lie about David Payne visiting Kate McCann rehearsed (though obviously not very well)
H Cat Baker briefed to lie about the ‘high tea’ (probably Charlotte Pennington was briefed to lie about this on a subsequent occasion)
I Cover story for what Gerry was actually doing on the Thursday afternoon (endless tennis lessons)
J Photo taken on Sunday by the pool, just before she died, chosen to be altered, so the date and time stamp to read so it looked like it was taken on Thursday
K Tennis Balls Photo faked (not sure how yet) and Kate rehearsed about when it was taken (again not very well)
L Shutters repaired that week (so that they could fake a break-in later in the week?)
M ‘Deep clean’ of the blood and DNA that week (Monday?)
N Holidaymakers lined up to tell lies about seeing Madeleine that week (Philip Edmonds and the photo, Vicky Boyd’s lies about the Wednesday in First Magazine)
O Key media people briefed?
P Old 6” x 4” pics of Maddie ready and prepared
Q Timelines prepared and scribbled out
R Murat ready to be appointed one of the PJ translators
S Madeleine’s body hidden in a place where no-one could find it

Just how many meetings and ’phone calls and discussions would have to take place that week to plan all this? I suggest LOTS. Where and when were they held?

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I’m not disagreeing but texting wasn’t as big a thing back then. Not of their vintage or older anyway. It’s quite plausible there was messages about sedatives on it and the panicked and deleted everything.

My thinking as well.

Looks as if the McCanns sought advice from people at home. About what, though?

The problem is their reaction at various points. If they had not reacted in certain ways, I think everyone would accept a terrible abduction took place. I mean, how do you not go and search for your child?

A quick scan of a news report says Portuguese authorities didn’t formally name him, nor did German ones. Did his own lawyer name him?

It’s obvious that the answers lie in Donegal

What is that whole site all about?

I’d say it’d probably be better if we didn’t know.

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Sheeple like us wouldn’t understand.

He’s been named for well over a year. Was on the BBC news headlines FFS.

Who named him?

Apparently this has more to do with statute of limitations law in Portugal more than anything else

The Germans

What ages were the other kids?

Would they would have stuck to the story if the sister had been missing a few days before it was reported? Feels hard to believe that the parents could have managed the whole deception in front of kids over 6 or 7 years old.

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