Managerial Merrygoround Thread

[Rocko]

@caoimhaoin

Yes they have all developed their own ststems.

But you are actually proving my point about tgem being box ticking. The countries box tick for UEFA etc but have tgeir own way of doing tgese things.

Coaching education in Ireland and England for instance is absolutely different than it is in Sweden or Iceland for instance. While England holds trials for 6 year olds Sweden is dissolving academies.

Its what they teach in thise Icelandic courses that is unbelievably and fundamentally different to Ireland. In Iceland they create a soace for kids to learn. In irelabd they show they what to do. Its intrinsic vs. extrinsic.

You are out of your depth here.

It’s genuinely fascinating trying to have a debate with you. It’s like a conversation with a toddler.

• You think McGuinness is an excellent soccer coach.
• You have seen a grand total of zero seconds of the output of his soccer coaching.
• This rush to judgement is particularly funny given you weren’t overly enamoured with his management of Donegal and called for his resignation after a defeat in 2013.
• You said he is “as qualified as you can get” to be a soccer coach.
• That’s objectively false. He is 2 levels short of the minimum requirement to be a head coach in any country in Europe, where he has been doing all his work so far.
• You then said that UEFA licenses are a farce.
• You then said that they are largely ignored by the Spanish and Portuguese. This is blatantly untrue.
• Now you think UEFA licenses in Iceland aren’t a farce. (In response to learning that every coach of every child has one and is paid to coach). But they are a farce in Ireland. We don’t know yet whether you think they are farce in Scotland or not. At a guess I’d say your considered opinion will be that they’re not a farce in Germany or Netherlands or Sweden but they will be a farce in Scotland and Wales and England. And we don’t yet know how you’ll row back from saying they’re meaningless in Spain and Portugal.
• All of which continues to ignore the fact that McGuinness is getting a job in China that he is indisputably not qualified to do in any country in Europe. Therefore he is in, indeed, skipping the queue. I hope it works out well for him.

[Nembo_Kid]

Well that’s all lies.

[Nembo_Kid]

@Rocko

All of which continues to ignore the fact that McGuinness is getting a job in China that he is indisputably not qualified to do in any country in Europe. Therefore he is in, indeed, skipping the queue. I hope it works out well for him.

This is the cunt who tried to character assassinate David Matthews because he was doing a job with the Cork hurlers Kev claimed he wasn’t qualified to do.

You couldn’t make him up.

[caoimhaoin]

I never said anything about his ability to coach soccer. I said is more qualified. Knowing how to coach the mind and body far outstripes some shabby UEFA badge. These are spurious " levels" created to generate money. Being qualified is in the eye of the beholder. He has not skipped any que, he is on a different path. No surprise an accountant struggles with non-linear approaches

All tgese countries coach educate in their own way. I was only at a conference 4 weeks ago with coaches from professional clubs in Spain, Portugal, Sweden, England, Ireland and elsewhere as well as other sports.

If Spain coached at local underage lecel the way UEFA suggest they do they would not be producing the skillful players they do.
Same i Portugal, same in Germany. You have no insight or idea what you are on about. You see a badge. But the ones who follow that like Irela d and England do are left behind. These badges and the entire system is suitable to people who like to be told what to do and a copy and paste culture emerges.
These other countries coach educate. They don’t just run a course. They educate. And you do not see that or have any idea about it clearly.

[caoimhaoin]

He wasn’t.

[Nembo_Kid]

It certainly helps.

The same way that having worked in a certain industry sector would be advantageous if you were taking on the role of CEO.

Maybe not a high level but there would be very few players who weren’t former pros involved in football and if they do it usually will take them quite some time to climb the ladder, working from the lower leagues up.

[Nembo_Kid]

Neither is McGuinness, he doesn’t have his badges.

Odd your stance on this.

[Rocko]

[quote=“caoimhaoin, post:2004, topic:3139, full:true”].

I never said anything about his ability to coach soccer. I said is more qualified. Knowing how to coach the mind and body far outstripes some shabby UEFA badge. These are spurious " levels" created to generate money. Being qualified is in the eye of the beholder. He has not skipped any que, he is on a different path. No surprise an accountant struggles with non-linear approaches

All tgese countries coach educate in their own way. I was only at a conference 4 weeks ago with coaches from professional clubs in Spain, Portugal, Sweden, England, Ireland and elsewhere as well as other sports.

If Spain coached at local underage lecel the way UEFA suggest they do they would not be producing the skillful players they do.
Same i Portugal, same in Germany. You have no insight or idea what you are on about. You see a badge. But the ones who follow that like Irela d and England do are left behind. These badges and the entire system is suitable to people who like to be told what to do and a copy and paste culture emerges.
These other countries coach educate. They don’t just run a course. They educate. And you do not see that or have any idea about it clearly.
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Ah Kev. The badges aren’t unique to England or Ireland. They have badges in Spain and Germany too. And they’re just as mandatory there as they are in Ireland or England. In fact there are 5 times as many UEFA A licence coaches in Germany as there are in England. They invest more heavily in the system that you discredit. But you know better of course.

Anyway McGuinness doesn’t have his so he can’t coach or manage properly at a senior level yet in Europe so he’s off to China. It’s not exactly hard to understand. There is a poster on TFK who is higher up the coaching hierarchy at Celtic than McGuinness was. Funnily enough he has his licenses.

[caoimhaoin]

You do not get this do you.

All coubtries have the oppurtunity to deliver the courses their own way. Its only a label.

Its upside down in Ireland, England etc. The courses only get any way decent way after they deal with the low level dad coaching his kids team types. Thats the important coaching. That coaching is so superior in other countries its not even a conversation. And that means there is a wider spread.

Watch out for Sweden. Thats where the change is coming from.

Its not very professional for your mate to be running down a club mate and work colleague. No doubt this “poster” is entrenched in this old outdated delivery of coaching.

As i have stated though, numerous times, i have reservations about McGuinness, as successful as he has been. But its absolute bollix to suggest he is skipping a que or is unqualified. He may have red tape to cut thru, but coaching badges are the worst thing to happen sport in the last 30 years. Period.

[Rocko]

[quote=“caoimhaoin, post:2009, topic:3139, full:true”].

You do not get this do you.

All coubtries have the oppurtunity to deliver the courses their own way. Its only a label.

Its upside down in Ireland, England etc. The courses only get any way decent way after they deal with the low level dad coaching his kids team types. Thats the important coaching. That coaching is so superior in other countries its not even a conversation. And that means there is a wider spread.

Watch out for Sweden. Thats where the change is coming from.

Its not very professional for your mate to be running down a club mate and work colleague. No doubt this “poster” is entrenched in this old outdated delivery of coaching.

As i have stated though, numerous times, i have reservations about McGuinness, as successful as he has been. But its absolute bollix to suggest he is skipping a que or is unqualified. He may have red tape to cut thru, but coaching badges are the worst thing to happen sport in the last 30 years. Period.
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I love when you contradict yourself within the same post. It means you’re losing the run of yourself entirely.

The coaching badges that are the worst thing to happen sport in the last 30 years are the same tools that are being used in Sweden (and elsewhere) to move away from the low level dad coaching his kids type coaching that you’re complaining about a few sentences earlier.

How do you think these superior countries control the quality of coaching? Through badges. Nobody is disputing that the courses are different. We’re just sniggering at you pretending they’re not important in some countries. Which is palpably not the case. (Except in China).

Also Jim McGuinness is not qualified to coach at senior level in Europe. That’s not absolute bollix. That’s what we call on the internet a fact. It kind of ruins the rest of your argument when you insist this is not the case.

And nobody is running anybody down. There is an objective coaching hierarchy at professional soccer clubs. It’s not a matter of opinion.

[caoimhaoin]

The badges are here. They are embedded. That does not mean they are any good.

Now they could be good, when they are not delivered in the box ticking nature that happens on the British Isles, and this includes other sports invluding GAA.

Sweden has realised they were doing it wrong and wiping out a huge amount of potential professionals before they even reached puberty. If you reduce elitism and retain normal club structures with better basic local coaching then you will retain alot more people. Now that covers both those who are interested in the most important part which is rentention and participation of young people but also the lunatics who are only concerned with the .0125% who “make it”. The bet is wider.

They do the opposite on these islands. A few weeks ago Swansea and Fulham told hundreds of 6 year olds they were not good enough to be “elite” players or they didn’t deserve “elite” coaching. Thats exactly the type of approach Celtic take who embarrassed themselves as a staff with the recent exposure of that young Dembele chap. Anyone who stood over that is who i am laughing at, and anyone with an ounce of education in this field is as well. They are a joke.

Its a race to the bottom. And the FA, FAI, GAA et al are right to the front of it.

[caoimhaoin]

You actually finished there beautifully to emphasize my point.
People thinking they are superior coaches becaise they went thru a course is whats really laughable.

[Rocko]

@caoimhaoin

The badges are here. They are embedded. That does not mean they are any good.

Now they could be good, when they are not delivered in the box ticking nature that happens on the British Isles, and this includes other sports invluding GAA.

Sweden has realised they were doing it wrong and wiping out a huge amount of potential professionals before they even reached puberty. If you reduce elitism and retain normal club structures with better basic local coaching then you will retain alot more people. Now that covers both those who are interested in the most important part which is rentention and participation of young people but also the lunatics who are only concerned with the .0125% who “make it”. The bet is wider.

They do the opposite on these islands. A few weeks ago Swansea and Fulham told hundreds of 6 year olds they were not good enough to be “elite” players or they didn’t deserve “elite” coaching. Thats exactly the type of approach Celtic take who embarrassed themselves as a staff with the recent exposure of that young Dembele chap. Anyone who stood over that is who i am laughing at, and anyone with an ounce of education in this field is as well. They are a joke.

Its a race to the bottom. And the FA, FAI, GAA et al are right to the front of it.

A wonderful rant that has nothing to do with anything I said.

McGuinness isn’t qualified. He went to China. It allows him to coach at a level he’s not qualified to coach at in Europe. What Swansea or Sweden or Fulham are doing won’t change any of that.

[caoimhaoin]

I am explaining and expanding on my point of what damage badges have done and what they have led to. Some money making scam of coaching badges does not mean anyone is more “qualified” than someone else.
McGuiness has years more actual responsible head coaching done compared to many assistants who badges or no badges generally thats all they become as they couldn’t handle or don’t want to handle being front and centre.

Its not really about McGuinness, its the hilarious hypocriosy of the likes of Kilbane and others that is funny. Its extremely insecure.

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

It’s perfectly ok to run down an ex workmate who has just been fired

[caoimhaoin]

Who got fired?

[Little_Lord_Fauntleroy]

McGuiness

[caoimhaoin]

You are some weirdo. As is your Cellic mate.

Children.

[Bandage]

Ian Cathro and his laptop are gone from Hearts 5 days before the start of the league season.

[anon70480284]

Wasn’t Irish Jon Daly ex Ranger involved in that set up?