Ferguson’s influence at United cannot be overstated. He earned that right but United have been over achieving for the last number of seasons - they haven’t had a mid field for 3 years. Scholes coming back showed all was not well and perhaps money was not there. Would a referee have awarded three penalties with Ferguson on the touch line
nothing to do with.
quit dodging the obvious and admit a number of your senior players are cunts and have left moyes in in as much shit as hes left himself
[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 917986, member: 179”]nothing to do with.
quit dodging the obvious and admit a number of your senior players are cunts and have left moyes in in as much shit as hes left himself[/QUOTE]
90% of Premier league players are cunts! Chelsea was/is full of them.
A case of teams under performing also. A strong manager at Chelsea or City would have won more in the last few years.
He let one of the best young midfielders in the world go in favour of bringing back Scholes
Yes but can also argue he had to contend with two clubs who had unlimited resources particularly City
It’s not all that uncommon, you surely remember stevie me sulking because rafa was playing him out wide. He agitated for a move to Chelsea, didn’t try a leg when not played in the centre.
If the players don’t believe in the manager then they don’t pull for him, that’s nothing new.
John Terry and Frank Lampard with AVB etc.
[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 917986, member: 179”]nothing to do with.
quit dodging the obvious and admit a number of your senior players are cunts and have left moyes in in as much shit as hes left himself[/QUOTE]
You think the senior players should do the managing for Moyes?
[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 917996, member: 141”]It’s not all that uncommon, you surely remember stevie me sulking because rafa was playing him out wide. He agitated for a move to Chelsea, didn’t try a leg when not played in the centre.
If the players don’t believe in the manager then they don’t pull for him, that’s nothing new.
John Terry and Frank Lampard with AVB etc.[/QUOTE]
That’s incorrect, mate. There was talks of Stevie going to Chelsea immediately after Liverpool won the CL as it was rumoured Benitez was looking to flog him. He stated he didn’t like being played on the right ok, but he never went out and let his club get walked all over like the cowardly cunts playing for utd currently.
He was shocking during Hodgson’s brief reign. He handed in a transfer request another time.
But he did pal, I was at the match, 2006 at OT where he strolled around for the 90mins and didn’t try at all. United won the game without breaking a sweat.
No, they should be playing for him
Was he not injured from October until Christmas and came back just as Kenny was installed?
Strolled around 
One off day does not equall him not trying for a season… In the 05/06 season he scored 20 odd goals… In 06/07 he scored 15 if that’s him not trying I hope he doesn’t try a leg for the remainder of the season.
United have had good spending power for 20 years. Fuck em.
Spending power that was self generated. Not an Arab or Russian lottery win.
[QUOTE=“Mark Renton, post: 918022, member: 1796”]Strolled around
One off day does not equall him not trying for a season… In the 05/06 season he scored 20 odd goals… In 06/07 he scored 15 if that’s him not trying I hope he doesn’t try a leg for the remainder of the season.[/QUOTE]
When Benitez played him out wide, he sulked.
He also put in a transfer request because Benitez wouldn’t play him in the middle.
How many of those goals were from dead ball situations?
What the fuck difference does that really make?
[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 918040, member: 141”]
How many of those goals were from dead ball situations?[/QUOTE]
Free kicks and penalties don’t count as real goals eh?
They might give a skewed account of how much a player is actually contributing to general play. Unpalatable as it might be to all the lfc fans on the board, stevie me spat the dummy and asked to leave because Benitez wouldn’t play him where he wanted to play.