[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 935016, member: 179”]More like he couldnt manage the expectations of bandwaggoning cunts who think they have a divine right to win.
Noyes was the first to pay but his successor will also continue to pay the price if whiskeynoses haranguing and bullying of refs which was probably worth 15 points to ye over the course of a season[/QUOTE]
No club has a divine right to win anything, plenty of years when United won fuck all in the 70’s and 80’s. (same time as United and these “bandwaggoning cunts” regularly got better attendances than Liverpool who were winning everything in sight at the time)
This decision had to be made for the good of the club. Sad for Moyes, a decent guy, but just not a Manchester United manager or anything close to it.
The next choice is now critical. The team needs rebuilding. Rooney on a silly contract won’t help.
Klopp will cost compensation as he just signed a new contract. He has also ruled himself out.
[QUOTE=“dodgy-keeper, post: 935022, member: 1552”]No club has a divine right to win anything, plenty of years when United won fuck all in the 70’s and 80’s. (same time as United and these “bandwaggoning cunts” regularly got better attendances than Liverpool who were winning everything in sight at the time)
This decision had to be made for the good of the club. Sad for Moyes, a decent guy, but just not a Manchester United manager or anything close to it.[/QUOTE]
I don’t think it was right to sack him. Wasn’t convinced by the appointment but the speed with which managers are disposed of now is nonsensical. If he was the right guy last May then I don’t think enough has changed to disprove that. One of the big concerns was about his European pedigree but he proved himself to be fairly capable in that environment. There’s no disputing that he got significantly less out of a withering aged squad than Ferguson but that is a really poor group of players he inherited.
If the owners do want to maintain their current distance then the first thing they should look at is appointing a director of football or at least a chief executive with a working knowledge of player recruitment. They’ve tied up an awful lot of capital and cashflow on Rooney, Mata and Fellaini - and none of them are paying off.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 935031, member: 1”]I don’t think it was right to sack him. Wasn’t convinced by the appointment but the speed with which managers are disposed of now is nonsensical. If he was the right guy last May then I don’t think enough has changed to disprove that. One of the big concerns was about his European pedigree but he proved himself to be fairly capable in that environment. There’s no disputing that he got significantly less out of a withering aged squad than Ferguson but that is a really poor group of players he inherited.
If the owners do want to maintain their current distance then the first thing they should look at is appointing a director of football or at least a chief executive with a working knowledge of player recruitment. They’ve tied up an awful lot of capital and cashflow on Rooney, Mata and Fellaini - and none of them are paying off.[/QUOTE]
He was never the right choice. Similar to Hodgson at Liverpool. The job was too big for both of them. There is a way a United manager should speak after a game - mentality should be that this is the biggest and best club in the world - and he just didn’t have the presence or gravitas.
Huge decision to make now - do they go stop gap like Van Gaal or go for a young manager with a vision. I think business heads will prevail and they will bring in a Van Gaal type to steady the ship.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 935031, member: 1”]I don’t think it was right to sack him. Wasn’t convinced by the appointment but the speed with which managers are disposed of now is nonsensical. If he was the right guy last May then I don’t think enough has changed to disprove that. One of the big concerns was about his European pedigree but he proved himself to be fairly capable in that environment. There’s no disputing that he got significantly less out of a withering aged squad than Ferguson but that is a really poor group of players he inherited.
If the owners do want to maintain their current distance then the first thing they should look at is appointing a director of football or at least a chief executive with a working knowledge of player recruitment. They’ve tied up an awful lot of capital and cashflow on Rooney, Mata and Fellaini - and none of them are paying off.[/QUOTE]
Mate, he took over the champions - not Norwich City. Certainly not a vintage squad he inherited but he took the same squad which won the league by 11 points last May (with the addition of 2 players worth £65m) from first to seventh.
Took 0 points from 6 games against city, Everton and Liverpool.
Spunked almost £30m on Fellaini - would be lucky to get £10m back for him now.
Had no system of play. Changed the team and tactics every single week. The performances got worse and worse, the players had lost confidence and gave up on him. 10 defeats from 22 games this year. Didn’t matter how much time he got he still wasn’t going to morph into a top class manager playing blinding football.
Terrible press interviews, negative vibes constantly given off to the players and fans. He said last August United needed 5 or 6 world class players to win the European Cup! What message did that send to the squad?! The same dressing room had Real Madrid sweating like a rapist last season until Nani was sent off.
Nice man, sad he had to lose his job but he can’t have any complaints.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935034, member: 2272”]José Mourinho could be worth a flutter.
He was never the right choice. Similar to Hodgson at Liverpool. The job was too big for both of them. There is a way a United manager should speak after a game - mentality should be that this is the biggest and best club in the world - and he just didn’t have the presence or gravitas.
Huge decision to make now - do they go stop gap like Van Gaal or go for a young manager with a vision. I think business heads will prevail and they will bring in a Van Gaal type to steady the ship.[/QUOTE]
I think a stop gap like Van Gaal is needed. Let him steady the ship and start the rebuilding but also I feel they should have a couple of younger guys come into the club to learn from Van Gaal and then look to have one of them take over after him. This is what that ego manic ferguson should have been doing in the last couple of years he was there.
Wonder was getting Moysie in all part of Fergie’s grand plan. No matter who they got in, there was always going to be a state of flux for a few years. Perhaps Moyes was selected not as the Chosen One but as the Fall Guy. I do recall Carlos Querioz mentioned in the succession stakes over the years. You could have been risking a repeat of 74/75 and relegation in getting Carlos in. At least with Moyes it was only a drop to 7th.
Van Gaal would be a decent appointment for a couple of years. He’d certainly have the ego and brass neck needed. He’d walk in on day one and wouldn’t bat an eyelid. Wouldn’t take any shit off any of the players and would have no problems dropping the likes of Rooney if they were under-performing.
Klopp or Mourinho are the standout candidates but don’t look viable options at the moment.
If that was the case then they surely would have offered Moyes a 12 month rolling contract or a 3 year deal as opposed to a 6 year deal. Regardless of whether they would be in a state of flux or not a manager with experience in managing big clubs and winning big games would have at the very least have had United competing for a top 4 finish
Everton are a big club, a huge club. One of the founding 12 members of the football league (unlike johnny come lately Man U) and 9 times Football League champions of England (Man U have only won it 7 times), second longest tenure in top flight football since 1954 (Man U relegated in 1973/74).
