Manchester United are a bigger club than Everton, a huge club.
Mistake was in giving the chosen one a six year contract. Moyes was freewheeling at the start, expected to do an Arsenal and make top 4 without little effort.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935034, member: 2272”]José Mourinho could be worth a flutter.
He was never the right choice. Similar to Hodgson at Liverpool. The job was too big for both of them. There is a way a United manager should speak after a game - mentality should be that this is the biggest and best club in the world - and he just didn’t have the presence or gravitas.
Huge decision to make now - do they go stop gap like Van Gaal or go for a young manager with a vision. I think business heads will prevail and they will bring in a Van Gaal type to steady the ship.[/QUOTE]
Hodgson wasn’t a big enough name to manage Liverpool but Rodgers was/is?
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935034, member: 2272”]José Mourinho could be worth a flutter.
Huge decision to make now - do they go stop gap like Van Gaal or go for a young manager with a vision. I think business heads will prevail and they will bring in a Van Gaal type to steady the ship.[/QUOTE]
There is very little stop-gap about Van Gaal. If they want to appoint a manager for a couple of years then Van Gaal isn’t the answer. He is so definite in his style of play, in the type of players he wants to recruit, in building a club around that philosophy - he’s the antithesis to a stop-gap. That doesn’t mean that he can’t be there for the short-haul but most of the benefits that would accrue from appointing him would never materialise.
I think he’s a terrific manager but he’s not the type of trusted guy you’d give the job to for a couple of years to stabilise the club. If you want that you get someone like Ancelotti or Benitez or Hiddink.
If they want to rediscover an identity then the likes of Spaletti or Van Gaal are good alternatives to a Guardiola or Klopp. But they all need time.
United have never had a non British/Irish manager.
All the money is going on Van Gaal at the moment. Think he’d do well, he’d get the best out of Van Persie.
Moyes 66/1 to be the next Newcastle manager, will be having a fiver on that.
Manchester United as we know it today are essentially a creation of the Sky Sports/Rupert Murdoch era. They have nothing like the history or tradition of Everton.
Nothing to do with name. It is their mentality. Gravitas.
Hodgson spoke of a 1-0 win over Bolton while manager of Liverpool as "a famous victory"
or this gem in December 2011
“is that there is plenty of work to do here, but I am certainly very satisfied with the job I have done here. The fact that it hasn’t gone as well as I’d have hoped results-wise is just the nature of football. I haven’t worked any differently here than I did in the last six months at Fulham. Yes, it’s been topsy-turvy in the sense that having defied people they have started to crucify me, but that’s part of the business and the way things are.”
Reminds me so much of Moyes speaking after United defeats about how they passed the ball well etc
Contrast to Rodgers
“we’re at Anfield; we always expect to win at home”
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 935084, member: 1”]There is very little stop-gap about Van Gaal. If they want to appoint a manager for a couple of years then Van Gaal isn’t the answer. He is so definite in his style of play, in the type of players he wants to recruit, in building a club around that philosophy - he’s the antithesis to a stop-gap. That doesn’t mean that he can’t be there for the short-haul but most of the benefits that would accrue from appointing him would never materialise.
I think he’s a terrific manager but he’s not the type of trusted guy you’d give the job to for a couple of years to stabilise the club. If you want that you get someone like Ancelotti or Benitez or Hiddink.
If they want to rediscover an identity then the likes of Spaletti or Van Gaal are good alternatives to a Guardiola or Klopp. But they all need time.[/QUOTE]
Laszlo Boloni or Slaven Bilic must be in with a shout.
Both clubs were formed in 1878, Manchester United are the more famed and storied club and are a far bigger club than Everton.
United have always been a big club long before the advent of Sky TV
Manchester United has always been the Protestant club in Manchester.
Norman Whiteside and SAF like this.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935110, member: 2272”]Nothing to do with name. It is their mentality. Gravitas.
Hodgson spoke of a 1-0 win over Bolton while manager of Liverpool as "a famous victory"
or this gem in December 2011
“is that there is plenty of work to do here, but I am certainly very satisfied with the job I have done here. The fact that it hasn’t gone as well as I’d have hoped results-wise is just the nature of football. I haven’t worked any differently here than I did in the last six months at Fulham. Yes, it’s been topsy-turvy in the sense that having defied people they have started to crucify me, but that’s part of the business and the way things are.”
Reminds me so much of Moyes speaking after United defeats about how they passed the ball well etc
Contrast to Rodgers
“we’re at Anfield; we always expect to win at home”[/QUOTE]
I think you can put too much stock in what a manger says to the media, or importantly, what the media decide to quote from the manager. Hodgson had managed Inter previously - he wasn’t new to that level. Rodgers spoke fairly glowingly about a 2-3 win over Norwich at the weekend - he said it was a “brilliant win.” It’s not that different to what Hodgson said.
Rodgers has had a bit of time to develop in the role at Liverpool and it’s paid off hugely. There weren’t many who would have been overly upset if he’d been replaced with a bigger name last summer.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 935131, member: 1”]I think you can put too much stock in what a manger says to the media, or importantly, what the media decide to quote from the manager. Hodgson had managed Inter previously - he wasn’t new to that level. Rodgers spoke fairly glowingly about a 2-3 win over Norwich at the weekend - he said it was a “brilliant win.” It’s not that different to what Hodgson said.
[/QUOTE]
Context, my dear, context.
Vinny O’Connor on SSN earlier outside Old Trafford.
“It’s a black day for the club.”
Meanwhile there are United fans in the backround doing the conga. 
I guess that’s my point. You can dig out various quotes that make managers look unambitious or accepting of mediocrity. But I’d be wary of judging a manager by what the media* decides to print.
- I will exclude TFK from that, because we’ve always strived to be fair and balanced.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 935136, member: 1”]I guess that’s my point. You can dig out various quotes that make managers look unambitious or accepting of mediocrity. But I’d be wary of judging a manager by what the media* decides to print.
- I will exclude TFK from that, because we’ve always strived to be fair and balanced.[/QUOTE]
The key to managerial success is in never badmouthing your players, and Ferguson never badmouthed his players.
@2:20
Thats because they had a bigger stadium
Also their average attendances went up by 20% when they started winning the BPL
Founders members were Orange Men.
[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 935145, member: 179”]Thats because they had a bigger stadium
Also their average attendances went up by 20% when they started winning the BPL[/QUOTE]
That must explain why Queen’s Park have been so succesful in Scotland.
Mancunians proud of their Irish heritage, like the Gallaghers, always tended to follow City, while United have always attracted feral Orange bigots like Jim McDonald, although they did get the odd Castle Catholic soup-taker like Eamonn Holmes among their ranks too.