Was it my good friend @Mac that accused me of being sensationalist when I predicted early in the season that United would not qualify for Europe?
Unlikely, I’m rarely wrong
[QUOTE=“dodgy-keeper, post: 935035, member: 1552”]Mate, he took over the champions - not Norwich City. Certainly not a vintage squad he inherited but he took the same squad which won the league by 11 points last May (with the addition of 2 players worth £65m) from first to seventh.
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In season 1952/53 defending champions Man U finished 8th. In season 1964/65 defending champions Liverpool finished 7th. In season 1972/73 defending champions Derby County finished 7th. I take it if you were in the chairman’s seat Matt Busby, Bill Shankly and Brian Clough would all have got the bullet.
Luckily for you, I can’t use the search function properly to say otherwise.
A league title success last season that Moyes had absolutely nothing to do with.
Football began in 1992, pal.
[QUOTE=“dodgy-keeper, post: 935089, member: 1552”]United have never had a non British/Irish manager.
All the money is going on Van Gaal at the moment. Think he’d do well, he’d get the best out of Van Persie.
Moyes 66/1 to be the next Newcastle manager, will be having a fiver on that.[/QUOTE]
Liverpool never had a non British/Irish manager until they appointed Houllier. After flirting with various continental sorts, it was a manager from the British Isles they picked up at Swansea City who’s restored them to the top table. Something similar is clearly not going to happen at Man U. Managing the 4th most successful club in English football history is no longer an apprenticeship which would make one fit to manage Man U.
Good luck with Van Gaal or whatever continental flavour of the month you go with. Its worth noting that Van Gaal was fired at Bayern and his tenure as Netherland national coach (first time around), Barcelona and Ajax (second time) all ended in acrimony.
I think it is a mixture of Moyes simply not being capable enough, United’s team being poor, as well as woeful management of the situation by the United hierarchy.
The appointment of Moyes, whose only trophy was a Play Off in League 1, just because Alex Ferguson said so was a ridiculous move.
I am not sure whether Ferguson had informed United that he would be leaving long before the end of the season. If he didn’t, then allowing Moyes to take a month off and then take additional time to assess each player thereby losing vital time in the transfer market was ridiculous carry on. I think both Moyes and the hierarchy are to blame here.
The transfer of Fellaini was just incredibly poor management. Having to spend 27 million on him when they could have got him for 4 million less earlier in the window is just shocking. Most people would be sacked for that. Also Moyes clearly didn’t know where to play him when he got him. He was never a central midfielder - he is basically a target man and not a bad one at that. This may be forgiveable if Moyes inherited Fellaini but he bloody managed him at Everton!
Looking through United’s team, I think it is abundantly clear that there are major holes. Ferguson never properly addressed central midfield in this last five years and it still hasn’t been addressed. Defensively they are aging with Vidic not as good as he was and Ferdinand finished. Attacking wise, with the exception of strikers, they were very ordinary with their best creator, Valencia, suffering a woeful run of form.
It is the best decision I think.
His teams weren’t beaten all that much and he was in a position to get away with a lot that other managers wouldn’t get away with because of his achievements
His interviews didn’t come across as delusional as they were given most of the time from a position of strength
There was no liquidation, investors were found (including John Henry Davis)who sought control of the club as a result of their investment and the club subsequently changed it’s name.
Newton Heath/Manchester United were formed in 1878 and had their centenary celebrations in 1978.http://m2.miiduu.com/store2/38086/image/cache/data/201403/PIC_0035MIDUU-440x440.jpg
Reaching for the past already 
[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935256, member: 141”]There was no liquidation, investors were found (including John Henry Davis)who sought control of the club as a result of their investment and the club subsequently changed it’s name.
Newton Heath/Manchester United were formed in 1878 and had their centenary celebrations in 1978.http://m2.miiduu.com/store2/38086/image/cache/data/201403/PIC_0035MIDUU-440x440.jpg[/QUOTE]
So what was the craic with this
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Specially released for the landmark 113rd anniversary?
The share price rose today-Wall Street knows.
[QUOTE=“artfoley, post: 935266, member: 179”]So what was the craic with this
Specially released for the landmark 113rd anniversary?[/QUOTE]
No Art that was the 100 year anniversary of their admittance to the football league, that had played in regional leagues up to that point.
I’ll save you the bother of searching any further, they also had a 100 year anniversary for the change of name to Manchester United in 2002/03 season.
Since they won their first Premier League crown back in '93, United have morphed from being a well supported club in the Northwest of England into a kind of Supernova, and went from being MUFC to MUPLC. They were the right club, in the right place, at the right time. Looking back, you could say Ferguson timed it wonderfully with the advent of the Sky backed Premier League, and then the arrival, and subsequent expansion, of the Champions League. Of course all their success can’t be attributed to Sky or the Champions League alone, they did have an excellent manager, who had an amazing crop of young homegrown footballers to work with, and a stadium suitable for expansion. They also marketed themselves superbly on the back of their successes. In slightly different circumstances however, another club like Liverpool, Leeds, or Everton, could have been the ones to enjoy that success instead of United.
There are a couple of generations of United fans now who don’t really know what it’s like to support a football club that aren’t successful every year, who don’t know what it was like to support Manchester United Football Club. They are out of touch with reality and sometimes know very little about football beyond what happens at Manchester United. I was watching Sky interview a few of them earlier in relation to Moyes’ departure and his potential successor. One of them said “I’ve heard one of the Dutch Players mentioned, whats his name?” Reporter- “You mean the Dutch manager - Van Gaal?” Supporter “Yeah, Van Gaal” There were a couple of other clueless ones texting in also. I know that these fellas don’t represent United fans as a whole, but I think it will be good for United fans to go through a few barren years, it might reduce their sense of entitlement and help them appreciate success that bit more.
Is the consensus that Ferguson under achieved in Europe in terms of Champions League wins given the dominance of United from mid 90s to mid 2000s domestically?
Put another way will history judge Bob Paisley as the better manager given what he achieved in the time he achieved it and in the way he passed on a legacy of success to Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935286, member: 2272”]Is the consensus that Ferguson under achieved in Europe in terms of Champions League wins given the dominance of United from mid 90s to mid 2000s domestically?
Put another way will history judge Bob Paisley as the better manager given what he achieved in the time he achieved it and in the way he passed on a legacy of success to Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935286, member: 2272”]Is the consensus that Ferguson under achieved in Europe in terms of Champions League wins given the dominance of United from mid 90s to mid 2000s domestically?
Put another way will history judge Bob Paisley as the better manager given what he achieved in the time he achieved it and in the way he passed on a legacy of success to Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish.[/QUOTE]
100% - Brian Clough too.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935286, member: 2272”]Is the consensus that Ferguson under achieved in Europe in terms of Champions League wins given the dominance of United from mid 90s to mid 2000s domestically?
Put another way will history judge Bob Paisley as the better manager given what he achieved in the time he achieved it and in the way he passed on a legacy of success to Joe Fagan and Kenny Dalglish.[/QUOTE]
I think that the Champions League in it’s current format is much harder to win than the old European Cup.