And I think he’ll find everyones laughing at them, but if thats what it takes to keep them relevant then so be it.
If United really wanted to do this thing right, they’d have waited until Liverpool won the league, and then sack Moyes, thereby stealing Liverpools limelight, but they even fucked that up.
What an achievement to transform a team that couldn’t win it’s domestic league into Champions of Europe! Twice!! Phenomenal from SAF.
[QUOTE=“dodgy-keeper, post: 935368, member: 1552”]@Manuel Zelaya is fuming.
Liverpool storming to the league title and United are still the big story.
Hated, adored but never ignored. 
[/QUOTE]
United will always be box office.
It might just be on Thursday nights and 3e for a while.
[QUOTE=“dodgy-keeper, post: 935368, member: 1552”]@Manuel Zelaya is fuming.
Liverpool storming to the league title and United are still the big story.
Hated, adored but never ignored. [/QUOTE]
I’ve told you many times before, I follow my hometown club Preston North End. Play off played secured and dreaming of Wembley.
Of course I have a soft spot for Moysie from his time with us. A proper football man who did a good job with us as he would with most football teams, even if he wasn’t to the liking of your Harlem Globetrotters style outfit demanding instant success.
You’d have to hand over seven more European Cups to Liverpool in that case - one for the time we were cheated at Heysel and six for the years we were banned.
So even if you took away Istanbul we’d be on 11 European Cups.
[QUOTE=“Sidney, post: 935393, member: 183”]You’d have to hand over seven more European Cups to Liverpool in that case - one for the time we were cheated at Heysel and six for the years we were banned.
So even if you took away Istanbul we’d be on 11 European Cups.[/QUOTE]
Add in next year and that’s 12-huzzah!
[QUOTE=“Jimmy Mc Nulty, post: 935282, member: 1168”]Since they won their first Premier League crown back in '93, United have morphed from being a well supported club in the Northwest of England into a kind of Supernova, and went from being MUFC to MUPLC. They were the right club, in the right place, at the right time. Looking back, you could say Ferguson timed it wonderfully with the advent of the Sky backed Premier League, and then the arrival, and subsequent expansion, of the Champions League. Of course all their success can’t be attributed to Sky or the Champions League alone, they did have an excellent manager, who had an amazing crop of young homegrown footballers to work with, and a stadium suitable for expansion. They also marketed themselves superbly on the back of their successes. In slightly different circumstances however, another club like Liverpool, Leeds, or Everton, could have been the ones to enjoy that success instead of United.
There are a couple of generations of United fans now who don’t really know what it’s like to support a football club that aren’t successful every year, who don’t know what it was like to support Manchester United Football Club. They are out of touch with reality and sometimes know very little about football beyond what happens at Manchester United. I was watching Sky interview a few of them earlier in relation to Moyes’ departure and his potential successor. One of them said “I’ve heard one of the Dutch Players mentioned, whats his name?” Reporter- “You mean the Dutch manager - Van Gaal?” Supporter “Yeah, Van Gaal” There were a couple of other clueless ones texting in also. I know that these fellas don’t represent United fans as a whole, but I think it will be good for United fans to go through a few barren years, it might reduce their sense of entitlement and help them appreciate success that bit more.[/QUOTE]
A lot of people trace the real change in fortunes for Sir Alex to Mark Robins goal at the City Ground in the 3rd round of the 1990 FA Cup. I can still clearly recall going into that 1992/93 inaugural EPL season, there was still a lot of question marks over whether he was the right man for the job after the spectacular late season implosion in 1991/92 handed the title to a modest enough Leeds side. They lost the first two games of the 1992/93 season at Bramall Lane to Sheffield United and then 3-0 at home to Everton. Third game they were held 1-1 by Ipswich at Old Trafford and there were more than a few calls for Ferguson to be sacked - 6 years in and despite cup wins in the previous 3 season was never going to win a title. Fourth game they won 1-0 against Southampton at the Dell courtesy of a Dion Dublin last minute winner. In many ways that was the goal that saved Ferguson’s bacon.
You can say it a million times pal, you are incorrect Manchester United were founded in 1878 as Newton Heath LYR Football Club, they applied to join the football league in 1888 and eventually joined in 1892 when the Football Alliance and Football League merged, at this stage their links to the railway company were gone and they were known as Newton Heath Football Club.
On 9th January 1902,Club President William Healey applied to the court for a winding-up order against the club, claiming he was owed £242 17s. 10d.
Attention was directed to the Second League by the unusual experience of Newton Heath. The club is financially in a bad way. A winding up order to meet a debt of £242 precipitated matters last week and no arrangements could be made for playing the game fixed for Saturday. One hears that a new club will be formed out of the ashes of the old one, but this has not been decided definitely.
The Manchester Guardian 13th January 1902
Newton Heath were revived in time to play their next fixture on Saturday, 18th January 1902, by a £2,000 investment from a group of businessmen led by John Henry Davies. They played on for the rest of the season as Newton Heath and started the next season as Manchester United as they had moved from Newton Heath to Bank Street, Clayton back in 1893.
I vividly remember the centenary year in 1978 and had the Utd away strip (white with three black stripes) with the centenary crest on it. This crest remained for the 1978/79 season and was on the FA Cup final shirt also.
I note the official PL website lists their year of formation as 1878. http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/clubs/profile.overview.html/man-utd
Yeah I agree in theory but it seemed that Moyes didn’t really know who he wanted. He didn’t have time between going on his holliers and then assessing his squad.
They of course bolloxed about with Fabregas when it was clear that he didn’t want to join them. He wasn’t the right player anyway.
Just a complete breakdown of any type of management.
Once you did, it was handy enough though.
Take Liverpool’s 1st European Cup win - they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspur, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Borussia Monchengladbach.
The following year they got a bye in the 1st round, beat Dynamo Dresden, Benfica, Borussia Monchengladbach and Club Brugge, fuck sake they were softer won than Clare’s All Ireland last year.
[QUOTE=“farmerinthecity, post: 935416, member: 24”]Yeah I agree in theory but it seemed that Moyes didn’t really know who he wanted. He didn’t have time between going on his holliers and then assessing his squad.
They of course bolloxed about with Fabregas when it was clear that he didn’t want to join them. He wasn’t the right player anyway.
Just a complete breakdown of any type of management.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. Though again a competent CEO type would have figured out whether Fabregas was available or not fairly immediately. I saw Moyes being criticised for that earlier but I highly doubt he was making the phone calls.
Moyes definitely seemed to lack imagination in the transfer market alright.
[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935413, member: 141”]You can say it a million times pal, you are incorrect Manchester United were founded in 1878 as Newton Heath LYR Football Club, they applied to join the football league in 1888 and eventually joined in 1892 when the Football Alliance and Football League merged, at this stage their links to the railway company were gone and they were known as Newton Heath Football Club.
On 9th January 1902,Club President William Healey applied to the court for a winding-up order against the club, claiming he was owed £242 17s. 10d.
Attention was directed to the Second League by the unusual experience of Newton Heath. The club is financially in a bad way. A winding up order to meet a debt of £242 precipitated matters last week and no arrangements could be made for playing the game fixed for Saturday. One hears that a new club will be formed out of the ashes of the old one, but this has not been decided definitely.
The Manchester Guardian 13th January 1902
Newton Heath were revived in time to play their next fixture on Saturday, 18th January 1902, by a £2,000 investment from a group of businessmen led by John Henry Davies. They played on for the rest of the season as Newton Heath and started the next season as Manchester United as they had moved from Newton Heath to Bank Street, Clayton back in 1893.
I vividly remember the centenary year in 1978 and had the Utd away strip (white with three black stripes) with the centenary crest on it. This crest remained for the 1978/79 season and was on the FA Cup final shirt also.
I note the official PL website lists their year of formation as 1878. http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/clubs/profile.overview.html/man-utd[/QUOTE]
I know all this, you could have saved yourself all that googling. The position is Newton Heath Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Football Club eventually folded in early 1902 in financial difficulty. A new football club Manchester United was founded later in 1902. There was no such club as Manchester United until 1902.
[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935424, member: 141”]Once you did, it was handy enough though.
Take Liverpool’s 1st European Cup win - they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspur, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Borussia Monchengladbach.
The following year they got a bye in the 1st round, beat Dynamo Dresden, Benfica, Borussia Monchengladbach and Club Brugge, fuck sake they were softer won than Clare’s All Ireland last year.[/QUOTE]
They were national champions. They beat Bayern and Real in 81, you forgot that
[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935424, member: 141”]Once you did, it was handy enough though.
Take Liverpool’s 1st European Cup win - they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspur, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Borussia Monchengladbach.
The following year they got a bye in the 1st round, beat Dynamo Dresden, Benfica, Borussia Monchengladbach and Club Brugge, fuck sake they were softer won than Clare’s All Ireland last year.[/QUOTE]
Champions of W Germany, champions of France beaten in 77
Borussia Monchengladbach won 3 German titles in a row, had beaten Italian champions and USSR champions and had won UEFA cup in 75 full of World Cup winners from 1974
Yeah handy.
Beaten to it on the Moenchengladbach comments. They were an excellent side.
Big problem now to name a successor and spend the Glazer’s “transfer funds”. There will be no business done during the World Cup and then it’s almost time for pre-season. So the next Chosen One has to be in place very soon.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935441, member: 2272”]Champions of W Germany, champions of France beaten in 77
Borussia Monchengladbach won 3 German titles in a row, had beaten Italian champions and USSR champions and had won UEFA cup in 75 full of World Cup winners from 1974
Yeah handy.[/QUOTE]
Like English football not beginning until 1992, European football didn’t begin until the Champions League TV theme came in, which coincidentally was also in 1992.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935441, member: 2272”]Champions of W Germany, champions of France beaten in 77
Borussia Monchengladbach won 3 German titles in a row, had beaten Italian champions and USSR champions and had won UEFA cup in 75 full of World Cup winners from 1974
Yeah handy.[/QUOTE]
By definition every opponent was a league champion then so 5 ties won = 5 league champions defeated.
Allan Simonsen was the star for Borussia & he was Danish
[QUOTE=“ciarancareyshurlingarmy, post: 935452, member: 464”]By definition every opponent was a league champion then so 5 ties won = 5 league champions defeated.
Allan Simonsen was the star for Borussia & he was Danish[/QUOTE]
Scored a cracking goal in the final.