Manchester United FC 2013/14

[TheUlteriorMotive]

[QUOTE=“ciarancareyshurlingarmy, post: 935452, member: 464”]By definition every opponent was a league champion then so 5 ties won = 5 league champions defeated.

Allan Simonsen was the star for Borussia & he was Danish[/QUOTE]
They weren’t champions of the fucking fAroes. Full of World Cup winners from 1974 so like Barca or Real Madrid of current era.

They had won UEFA Cup and won three German titles in a row ahead of the more famous Bayern Munich.

In 1978 they beat Borussia Dortmund 12-0 which is still record win in Bundesliga
Simonsen didn’t score

[balbec]

[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935457, member: 2272”]They weren’t champions of the fucking fAroes. Full of World Cup winners from 1974 so like Barca or Real Madrid of current era.

They had won UEFA Cup and won three German titles in a row ahead of the more famous Bayern Munich.[/QUOTE]

Don’t be blinding @Mullach Ide with information.

[Mullach_Ide]

[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935441, member: 2272”]Champions of W Germany, champions of France beaten in 77

Borussia Monchengladbach won 3 German titles in a row, had beaten Italian champions and USSR champions and had won UEFA cup in 75 full of World Cup winners from 1974

Yeah handy.[/QUOTE]

French football was in the doldrums back then, no disputing Borussia Monchengladbach were a good side but a fair amount of dross in there as well.
Notts Forest beat Liverpool, AEK Athens, Grasshopper, Cologne and Malmo the 1st year they won it and Oster, Arges Pitesti, Dynamo Berlin, Ajax and Hamburg the 2nd year.

Christ the Germans were really the bitches of the brits in Europe back then.

[Sidney]

The second leg of the Liverpool-St.Etienne tie in 1977 is generally considered to be the finest European night ever at Anfield. St. Etienne had lost the previous year’s final 1-0 to Bayern Munich and won three French titles in a row. I guess they’re not a big name in Mullach Ide’s eyes though so don’t count.

[Mullach_Ide]

@Manuel Zelaya

I know all this, you could have saved yourself all that googling. The position is Newton Heath Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Football Club eventually folded in early 1902 in financial difficulty. A new football club Manchester United was founded later in 1902. There was no such club as Manchester United until 1902.

Newton Heath didn’t fold though, the creditors were paid off by the investors, they finished out the season as Newton Heath Football Club (Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway had already been dropped from the club name at this stage) and the club changed it’s name. Like Snickers and Marathon, Opal Fruits and Starburst.

[TheUlteriorMotive]

[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935462, member: 141”]French football was in the doldrums back then, no disputing Borussia Monchengladbach were a good side but a fair amount of dross in there as well.
Notts Forest beat Liverpool, AEK Athens, Grasshopper, Cologne and Malmo the 1st year they won it and Oster, Arges Pitesti, Dynamo Berlin, Ajax and Hamburg the 2nd year.

Christ the Germans were really the bitches of the brits in Europe back then.[/QUOTE]
Germans who won 74 World Cup, beaten on penalties in 76 Euros final, won 80 Euros, bayern munich won three European cups in a row mid 70s and Germans won three Uefa cups late 70s

England not winning a major title is a surprise when you look at how clubs dominated late 70s though

[ciarancareyshurlingarmy]

Spanish & Portugese clubs were weak at the time. The German & Italian side had to be beaten plus avoid an early trip to Eastern Europe.

[ciarancareyshurlingarmy]

[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 935471, member: 2272”]Germans who won 74 World Cup, 80 Euros, bayern munich won three European cups in a row mid 70s and Germans won three Uefa cups late 70s

England not winning a major title is a surprise when you look at how clubs dominated late 70s though[/QUOTE]

The fucked up in 1980 in Italy when they were strong enough to win it (on paper anyway)

[Manuel_Zelaya]

[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935424, member: 141”]Once you did, it was handy enough though.
Take Liverpool’s 1st European Cup win - they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspur, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Borussia Monchengladbach.
The following year they got a bye in the 1st round, beat Dynamo Dresden, Benfica, Borussia Monchengladbach and Club Brugge, fuck sake they were softer won than Clare’s All Ireland last year.[/QUOTE]

You haven’t the first clue about football pre EPL circa 1992 and your beloved Man U.

The Borussia Monchengladbach side you are scoffing had four world cup winners from the West Germany side that won the 1974 World Cup - Bertie Vogts, Rainer Bonhof, Juup Heynckes and Herbert Wimmer. They had Uli Stielike too young for 1974 but by 1977 probably the finest German midfielder and a future mainstay of the West Germany 1980 European Cup winning team. They also had the Great Dane, Allan Simonsen, 1977 European Footballer of the Year.

What you had in the European competitions from their inception in the mid 50’s, all the way through to the advent of the 'Champions League ’ (for champions, runners up, 3rd & 4th) in the early 90’s was real depth across Europe. In the season prior to the inception of the ‘Champions League’, Red Star Belgrade were European champions. Five years prior to that Steau Bucharest of Romania won it.

Liverpool under Bob Paisley won the European Cup three times in seven seasons. In the four seasons they didn’t win it they were eliminated by Nottingham Forest, Widzez Lodz from Poland, CSKA Sofia from Bulgaria and Dynamo Tblisi from Georgia in the Soviet Union. That tells a lot about the depth of the competition. Any side from behind the Iron Curtain was a serious proposition as their players didn’t travel abroad in those days and you were essentially playing national side - 20+ countries had serious sides that could take any scalp.

The Champions League today is a joke, the play toy of a handful of Harlem Globestrotter style sides from Germany, Spain, England & Paris. The Italians don’t even have the financial clout to compete anymore.

[Mullach_Ide]

@balbec

They were national champions. They beat Bayern and Real in 81, you forgot that

Didn’t forget it at all, they were worthy winners in 81.
In my opinion it is now harder to win the CL as you now have the top 3-4 clubs in EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga. It’s only an opinion.

[Rocko]

[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935487, member: 141”]Didn’t forget it at all, they were worthy winners in 81.
In my opinion it is now harder to win the CL as you now have the top 3-4 clubs in EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga. It’s only an opinion.[/QUOTE]
The last thing this place needs is opinions.

[Mark_Renton]

[QUOTE=“Mullach Ide, post: 935424, member: 141”]Once you did, it was handy enough though.
Take Liverpool’s 1st European Cup win - they beat Crusaders, Trabzonspur, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Borussia Monchengladbach.
The following year they got a bye in the 1st round, beat Dynamo Dresden, Benfica, Borussia Monchengladbach and Club Brugge, fuck sake they were softer won than Clare’s All Ireland last year.[/QUOTE]
You fucking mug.

[Mullach_Ide]

[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 935482, member: 377”]You haven’t the first clue about football pre EPL circa 1992 and your beloved Man U.
[/QUOTE]

Mate, not that I need to justify myself to you, I attended the 1977 FA Cup Final, Manchester United Football Club, a club you seem so intent on scoffing at, beat the soon to be European Champions, Liverpool Football Club who beat a Borussia Monchengladbach side that had four world cup winners from the West Germany side that won the 1974 World Cup - Bertie Vogts, Rainer Bonhof, Juup Heynckes and Herbert Wimmer. That Liverpool side contained 10 players who would go on and beat the Borissia Monchengladbach team that had four world cup winners.
This game took place a whole 15 years before the formation of the Premier League.

[Mullach_Ide]

@Manuel Zelaya

What you had in the European competitions from their inception in the mid 50’s, all the way through to the advent of the 'Champions League ’ (for champions, runners up, 3rd & 4th) in the early 90’s was real depth across Europe. In the season prior to the inception of the ‘Champions League’, Red Star Belgrade were European champions. Five years prior to that Steau Bucharest of Romania won it.

Mate you have already established that United didn’t win the 2008 final, it was in fact a draw, you are now crediting Red Star Belgrade and Steau Bucharest with wins even though both drew their respective finals, finishing 0-0. You’re all over the place now, pull yourself together man.

[Bandage]

@Mullach Ide

Mate you have already established that United didn’t win the 2008 final, it was in fact a draw, you are now crediting Red Star Belgrade and Steau Bucharest with wins even though both drew their respective finals finished 0-0. You’re all over the place now, pull yourself together man.

I’ve given you a “well clamped” rating for mugging off @Wrigley Field here.

[Manuel_Zelaya]

@Mullach Ide

Mate you have already established that United didn’t win the 2008 final, it was in fact a draw, you are now crediting Red Star Belgrade and Steau Bucharest with wins even though both drew their respective finals finished 0-0. You’re all over the place now, pull yourself together man.

I said they were European champions in those years. I never made any comment on the asterix that goes after the actual final itself.

[balbec]

We miss the days of the crack Eastern European sides.

[Bandage]

Lennon and Kilbane discussing matters on TV3 now.

[Mullach_Ide]

@Manuel Zelaya

Liverpool under Bob Paisley won the European Cup three times in seven seasons. In the four seasons they didn’t win it they were eliminated by Nottingham Forest, Widzez Lodz from Poland, CSKA Sofia from Bulgaria and Dynamo Tblisi from Georgia in the Soviet Union. That tells a lot about the depth of the competition. Any side from behind the Iron Curtain was a serious proposition as their players didn’t travel abroad in those days and you were essentially playing national side - 20+ countries had serious sides that could take any scalp.

That’s the biggest crock of shit of the lot mate. Liverpool fans were laughing at Man Utd when Widzew Lodge eliminated them from the UEFA cup on away goals in 1980/81 season.

[Sidney]

@Mullach Ide

That’s the biggest crock of shit of the lot mate. Liverpool fans were laughing at Man Utd when Widzew Lodge eliminated them from the UEFA cup on away goals in 1980/81 season.

Don’t forget Videoton from Hungary in 1985.