[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113302, member: 112ā]have a think about that there again will you?
if you think those who dismiss the homophobes arguments as being a heterophobe, .[/QUOTE]
I didnāt say that so maybe its you who needs to have a thinkā¦
[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113302, member: 112ā]
your argument makes no sense whatsoever, and sounds about as logical as any of the relevant arguments against SSM.[/QUOTE]
in your haste to throw this in you totally misread what I saidā¦
I said in my experience so how you can tell me whether it makes sense or not is a bit oddā¦ if you took the time to read Iām not arguing for or against SSM Iām actually commenting on the reactions Iāve seen from peopleā¦its a totally different thingā¦
[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113312, member: 112ā]
are you calling the 75% as per the latest figures in support of SSM as being heterophobes?[/QUOTE]
what the fcuk has that got to do with point I made?..youāre far too eager for a rowā¦
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113313, member: 182ā]I didnāt say that so maybe its you who needs to have a thinkā¦
in your haste to throw this in you totally misread what I saidā¦
I said in my experience so how you can tell me whether it makes sense or not is a bit oddā¦ if you took the time to read Iām not arguing for or against SSM Iām actually commenting on the reactions Iāve seen from peopleā¦its a totally different thingā¦[/QUOTE]
Iām trying to make sense of your original point:
how are people who dismiss arguments of those against SSM to be considered heterophobes?
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113309, member: 182ā]i think its totally connectedā¦its people who were once perceived as victims totally losing the run of themselves and morphing into what they once complained aboutā¦
Fear by anecdote is hardly a good basis for itā¦[/QUOTE]
Itās not anecdote, itās an evidence question. If a 14 yo girl becomes pregnant it is obvious she has committed a crime and she would have to be prosecuted. See?
sorry I actually misread your original postā¦
my point is that anecdotes are real too ā¦ but how many kids have underage sex and how many get pregnant?..in the long term, education is far more beneficial than a a blind eye can be turned more easilyā¦ its also a more structured approachā¦
[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113321, member: 112ā]Iām trying to make sense of your original point:
how are people who dismiss arguments of those against SSM to be considered heterophobes?[/QUOTE]
I didnāt say every person , I said I have seen a lotā¦I said its the manner in which they cut them off, not acknowledging any point they make and just dismissing them as homophobesā¦ To me, in a lot of cases, that shows a deep rooted mistrust , fear and prejudice against people who have a heterosexual outlookā¦
this is typical of the point Iām makingā¦you jump on the comment, throw up fact and figures about SSM when I havenāt even given an opinion on the actual topic.
.typical of this country, like sheepā¦its cool to be gay now, in the year 2015 ā¦well arenāt ye the modern men altogether! give me a break , fuckin clownsā¦
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113336, member: 182ā]I didnāt say every person , I said I have seen a lotā¦I said its the manner in which they cut them off, not acknowledging any point they make and just dismissing them as homophobesā¦ To me, in a lot of cases, that shows a deep rooted mistrust , fear and prejudice against people who have a heterosexual outlookā¦
this is typical of the point Iām makingā¦you jump on the comment, throw up fact and figures about SSM when I havenāt even given an opinion on the actual topic.
.typical of this country, like sheepā¦its cool to be gay now, in the year 2015 ā¦well arenāt ye the modern men altogether! give me a break , fuckin clownsā¦[/QUOTE]
I think youāre very confused. A mysogynistic or homophobic outlook does not equal a āheterosexual outlookā.
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113336, member: 182ā]I didnāt say every person , I said I have seen a lotā¦I said its the manner in which they cut them off, not acknowledging any point they make and just dismissing them as homophobesā¦ To me, in a lot of cases, that shows a deep rooted mistrust , fear and prejudice against people who have a heterosexual outlookā¦
this is typical of the point Iām makingā¦you jump on the comment, throw up fact and figures about SSM when I havenāt even given an opinion on the actual topic.
.typical of this country, like sheepā¦its cool to be gay now, in the year 2015 ā¦well arenāt ye the modern men altogether! give me a break , fuckin clownsā¦[/QUOTE]
a very odd outlook. so itās only gays who dismiss the points are the heterophobes? And they do this because they have a mistrust and fear of heterosexuals? Iām not entirely sure how you would come to that conclusion. It seems a very odd outlook on things to be honest.
And is it only the gays who are the heterophobes? What if a heterosexual called you a homophobe for displaying homophobic tendencies?
and what are this articulate reasoned arguments against SSM that you speak of that should not be considered homophobic and should be debated rather than dismissed?
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113348, member: 182ā]Iāve had my fill of this shitā¦Iām fookin seethingā¦
mysoginist are now people who believe a woman should be part of every family?.. [/QUOTE]
Or a man?
[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113345, member: 112ā]a very odd outlook. so itās only gays who dismiss the points are the heterophobes?
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where did I say that?.. youāve totally made that up to suit your pointā¦once again
Iāve no problem if they did because anyone who knows me would know it couldnāt be further from the truth, and my opinions went back to the last century as opposed to the current ātrendyā outlook, the Modern Muldoon accepting āthemā gays nowā¦
[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113345, member: 112ā]
and what are this articulate reasoned arguments against SSM that you speak of that should not be considered homophobic and should be debated rather than dismissed?[/QUOTE]
The result of allowing same-sex couples to marry is that agencies that are entrusted with finding parents to adopt and foster children cannot legally favour families that can provide a mother and a father, which all evidence suggests is the best environment for childrenā¦
God forbid some people might be sceptical ā¦arenāt they awful nasty people for having concerns on change that goes against previous findings regards childās family environment ā¦jesus youād almost think they were human![/QUOTE]
youāre throwing in words like misogyny for some reason and anecdotes arenāt based on real incidents yet Iām the one all over the placeā¦
ok palā¦guilty as chargedā¦iām off for lunch, iām fuckin seething as this has played out exactly how I was complaining about how it seems to play outā¦ :mad:
So you are basing it on a completely redundant argument that has nothing to do with the upcoming referendum? Seeing as gay parents can currently adopt and the SSM doesnāt change anything with adoption?
You seem to be taking this rather personally? You still havenāt cleared up who is heterophobic though. You claim Iām making stuff up, but you made the claim. Is it only gays who are? Or are heterosexual people heterophobes too?
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113361, member: 182ā]youāre throwing in words like misogyny for some reason and anecdotes arenāt based on real incidents yet Iām the one all over the placeā¦
ok palā¦guilty as chargedā¦iām off for lunch, iām fuckin seething as this has played out exactly how I was complaining about how it seems to play outā¦ :mad:
[QUOTE=āGman, post: 1113363, member: 112ā]
You seem to be taking this rather personally? You still havenāt cleared up who is heterophobic though. You claim Iām making stuff up, but you made the claim. Is it only gays who are? Or are heterosexual people heterophobes too?[/QUOTE]
I claimed from my experience which you are trying to ridiculeā¦ and you say Iām taking it personallyā¦you see how crazy that is?..how do you know how many gay people I have discussed this with ?.. you have absolutely no way of quantifying my experience yet youāre telling me how ridiculous I am for saying what I have experienced first handā¦Your experience could be different and thatās fair enoughā¦Iām not trying to change that because you are entitled to itā¦
Yes, being heterosexual that would exclude you from being heterophobic ā¦
[QUOTE=āscumpot, post: 1113361, member: 182ā]youāre throwing in words like misogyny for some reason and anecdotes arenāt based on real incidents yet Iām the one all over the placeā¦
ok palā¦guilty as chargedā¦iām off for lunch, iām fuckin seething as this has played out exactly how I was complaining about how it seems to play outā¦ :mad:
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Donāt heed him, pal. Heās on another one of his crusades.
