Mickey Harte's Red Hand Army - 2015 Season

[QUOTE=“Nembo Kid, post: 1133158, member: 2514”]It’s not unusual for free state teams/media to go crying and bumping their gums after they have been bested by an Ulster side, we’ve seen it time and time again. Yesterday was a good solid competitive game but as usual some people are buying into the misrepresentation of Tyrone and Ulster GAA, it wasn’t Tyrone who deliberately set out to target the opposition’s most influential player yesterday with McShane on the receiving end of kicks, stamps and frontal charges all game. Tyrone may have saw the game out with an element of cynicism but that’s what winners do - Dublin did ir in 2013 against Mayo and Kerry did it last year against Donegal but you wouldn’t hear this reported to the same level of hysteria if an Ulster team is involved.

Tyrone won because they were the better team yesterday, they dug deep when they had to and came up with the goods. The foul count at the fifty minute mark yesterday had Tipp well in front. Tyrone defended with great discipline in the scoring area and were harshly punished with a couple of harsh frees though we did get a few ourselves. In the first half Tipp actually made a habit of fouling from the front when Tyrone were bursting out with the ball from defence, the referee just played the advantage most of the time but it went unpunished. We scored 1-06 from play compared to Tipp’s 0-05 - we created the most chances and we took the most scores. 2 goal opportunities were blown and 10 wides racked up in the first half, Tyrone ended up making it very difficult at the conclusion. No doubt Tipp can feel hard done by at the end in what was a bizarre sequence of events but if they want to moan about that then they can be grateful that O’Brien wasn’t sent off after 20 minutes for two dismissal incidents that took place right in front of the referee.

The referee didn’t beat them.
Cynicism didn’t beat them.
Football beat them.[/QUOTE]
I am not the free state media you stupid British bastard

@Nembo Kid I thought the Tyrone team yesterday had no obvious stars besides the guy midfield despite his play acting at times (McShane?). Tipp meanwhile have a good few players who will go on to play for their senior team for many years. Colin O’Riordan in particular is something else. The chap taking their frees was largely excellent on the frees too bar missing a straight forward one late on when the pressure was on. The Tyrone corner back with the black under arm sleeve looked good also busting forward at pace to join the attack, possibly the no.4? Did you have him on your list to make the grade?

[QUOTE=“Nembo Kid, post: 1133158, member: 2514”]It’s not unusual for free state teams/media to go crying and bumping their gums after they have been bested by an Ulster side, we’ve seen it time and time again. Yesterday was a good solid competitive game but as usual some people are buying into the misrepresentation of Tyrone and Ulster GAA, it wasn’t Tyrone who deliberately set out to target the opposition’s most influential player yesterday with McShane on the receiving end of kicks, stamps and frontal charges all game. Tyrone may have saw the game out with an element of cynicism but that’s what winners do - Dublin did ir in 2013 against Mayo and Kerry did it last year against Donegal but you wouldn’t hear this reported to the same level of hysteria if an Ulster team is involved.

Tyrone won because they were the better team yesterday, they dug deep when they had to and came up with the goods. The foul count at the fifty minute mark yesterday had Tipp well in front. Tyrone defended with great discipline in the scoring area and were harshly punished with a couple of harsh frees though we did get a few ourselves. In the first half Tipp actually made a habit of fouling from the front when Tyrone were bursting out with the ball from defence, the referee just played the advantage most of the time but it went unpunished. We scored 1-06 from play compared to Tipp’s 0-05 - we created the most chances and we took the most scores. 2 goal opportunities were blown and 10 wides racked up in the first half, Tyrone ended up making it very difficult at the conclusion. No doubt Tipp can feel hard done by at the end in what was a bizarre sequence of events but if they want to moan about that then they can be grateful that O’Brien wasn’t sent off after 20 minutes for two dismissal incidents that took place right in front of the referee.

The referee didn’t beat them.
Cynicism didn’t beat them.
Football beat them.[/QUOTE]

You didn’t even bother your bollocks to go to the game, stop talking shit.

They didn’t have any obvious stars but they had a great all round team and a good game plan. They had better players than Tipp who were overly reliant on their middle two. There’ s lot of talent in there, Mark Kavanagh was absolutely immense yesterday and is very reminiscent of Brian McGuigan but he will need to bulk up a bit for senior level as he’s still very light. Lee Brennan is a special talent as well and still has another two years left at this level. Tyrone also lost Conor McKenna who was the star of the 2013 All Ireland finalist minor side which makes it more impressive.

You are a very bitter free stater.

[SIZE=6]On the tenth anniversary of the term ‘puke football’, why are Tyrone still seen as the black sheep?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=5]Pat Spillane plucked the phrase out of thin air but it has endured and has done Mickey Harte’s side no favours[/SIZE]

Tyrone defenders swarm around a Kerry player during the 2003 All-Ireland semi-final at Croke Park. Tyrone won 0-13 to 0-6 and went on to defeat Armagh in the final. Photograph: Morgan Treacy/Inpho

Malachy Clerkin

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Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 23:25

First published:Fri, Aug 23, 2013, 23:25

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[*]Pat Spillane[/URL] didn’t know what he was going to say but he knew he was going to say something. Knew he had to. Knew he needed to place on public record the fact that this was no ordinary outrage that was tugging at his sleeve. The afternoon and early evening had passed since Tyrone had beaten Kerry and ever since early in the first half, Spillane had boiling up . Come showtime, he bubbled over.[URL=‘http://www.irishtimes.com/search/search-7.1213540?tag_person=Michael%20Lyster&article=true’]Michael Lyster asked him for his reaction and he plucked from thin air the two words that have followed him ever since.

Puke football.

It is 10 years to the day since the phrase tumbled from his lips. August 24, 2003 – Tyrone 0-13 Kerry 0-6. PĂĄidĂ­ Ó Sé’s side fed through the mincer, covered up by a blanket defence made of steel wool. SĂ©amus Moynihan shaking his head and saying it was like Times Square out there. And Spillane, with a seat on the Sunday Game couch that night, let slip the dogs of war.

On air
“I don’t know where it came from,” he says. “It wasn’t a phrase I had heard, it wasn’t something that I prepared. I did have this feeling of anger at the way the game had gone and the build-up inside me since the end of the match meant that once we went on air, I knew I would have plenty to say. But it wasn’t like I thought of the phrase beforehand.

“That isn’t how it works. I would say that at least 99 per cent of the time, I’m talking straight off the top of my head. That’s the way I’ve always done things. I scored a goal against Tyrone in 1986 where I palmed the ball to the net. I had never attempted a goal like that before and I never did it again. It was purely what occurred to me in that split second. The puke football thing was like that. I just said it without thinking.”

Strip away emotion and county fidelity and it’s actually a magnificent phrase. It doesn’t make grammatical sense yet you know perfectly well what it’s getting at. Two nouns thrown out side by side – vomited out, almost – its author so apparently enraged that he had neither time or mood to arrange them properly.

If he’d said “puke-inducing football” or even “football to make you want to puke”, chances are it would have just been tossed on the pile of disposable Spillaneisms. But puke football endures, a killer soundbite worthy of the darker corners of the oeuvre of aPeter Mandelson.

Positive things
“And I never said it again!” he says. “I said it once and never again except when people brought it up. I would genuinely say that over the years, I have said multiple times more positive things about Tyrone than negatives. They won three All- Irelands playing some excellent football and I have praised them countless times. But no one listens. All people remember is puke football.”

In the 10 years since, Tyrone have had plenty of cause to hold it against him. As Enda McGinley pointed out during the week, they’ve been involved in a fair percentage of the best matches of our time yet it’s no generalisation to say that the overwhelming majority of the GAA public at the very least take a dim view of them.

“Puke football” has been a label stuck to the side of their suitcase throughout a decade’s travel, as if they are some way worse than everybody else.

At the Tyrone press night last week, someone informed Mickey Harte[/URL] that Seán Cavanagh’s rugby tackle had seen him compared to [URL=‘http://www.irishtimes.com/search/search-7.1213540?tag_person=Lance%20Armstrong&article=true’]Lance Armstrong in terms of being a cheat. Another questioner framed Tyrone as Millwall – no one likes us, we don’t care. Harte chuckled sadly and shook his head both times, declaring it regrettable that it has come to this.

Yet it’s worth examining why and how they became the black sheep. And be in no doubt – that’s how Tyrone GAA people feel they’re perceived. It started with puke football, it carried on through the Battle of Omagh and John Murray and Derrytresk and more. It might sound silly beyond the county boundary but inside, it has long been an article of faith. Picked on, singled out.

“The Conor Gormley thing made people just go, ‘What a waste of time,’” says Ryan McMenamin. “They waited 10 days to suspend him and then they threw it out within 48 hours. Why do that? Why bother? Tyrone people look at that and just feel like they’re being picked on and that they’ve been down this road before. They’re well used to criticism by now.”

McMenamin freely concedes Tyrone haven’t helped matters at times. Their football under Harte has always been in-yer-face and ex-players from other counties have had plenty to say about how they’ve conducted themselves.

OisĂ­n McConville was scathing about McMenamin and Gormley in particular in his book over the verbals he was subjected to in Armagh v Tyrone games down the years. Nobody doubts his bona fides or imagines he was the only one.

But even that doesn’t explain the level of distaste for Tyrone football in the south. They’ve always been physical but no more so than Seán Boylan’s Meath. And as every shade of the cynicism debate has been played out over the past three weeks, the one thing we can surely agree on is that they didn’t invent it. That they’re arguably better at it than most can’t be reason enough for the fatwa.

McMenamin puts some of it down to their own attitude, which from the outset was confrontational. They got off on the wrong foot and never quite righted it.

“Northern people have probably been a bit paranoid down the years. The Northern mindset is complicated because the Troubles probably made a lot of people feel like you are out on your own. You do fend for yourself. You do fight your own corner. There’d be a bit of everyone that kind of goes, ‘Well no one likes us. They think of us as different. They don’t count us as Irish.’

Army checkpoints
“We would definitely have had this idea that people in the south didn’t really understand where we were coming from.

“I remember as a wee boy going to the Ulster final in 1989 between Tyrone and Donegal. Clones from my house is maybe an hour’s drive but in 1989, you’d be leaving the house at 10 o’clock in the morning because crossing the border meant police and army checkpoints that took two or three hours to go through. And the same again that evening, meaning you weren’t home until 11 at night.

“People in the south probably didn’t realise what a struggle it was for us to just get playing GAA on the same level as them.But that was part of what made us into the people we were and it feeds into the mindset of a lot of people in the North. Part of us would have been thinking that we fought just to get playing Gaelic games and then when we arrived down to the south, the people who were meant to be the same as us didn’t seem to understand what we were about.

“It wasn’t as though we were expecting a welcome mat laid out for us but it was strange to feel as though we were different in some way. After a while, you just go, ‘Right, if that’s the way they see us, fair enough’. There wasn’t outright hostility but I suppose the more competitive the football got, the more hostile the whole scene got . . . . But that’s just sport really.”

Constant presence
It’s a shame because in the end, Tyrone do their business just as most counties do. Their centre of excellence in Garvaghy is a credit to all concerned, their constant presence at the business end of the various underage championships a nod to the lessons others can take from them. Even Spillane has found attitudes to him changing among Tyrone people – although mostly as a consequence of them having Joe Brolly for a voodoo doll now instead.

“Look, Tyrone have played the game a certain way and at times it has been based on stopping the other team playing,” he says. “It started against Kerry in 2003 and at different times over the years, they’ve gone out to be negative and to keep games tight so that they might win it in the last 10 minutes. But are they more cynical than the vast majority of counties? Absolutely no way. Is their tackling more illegal than the vast majority of other counties? Absolutely no way.”

So there you have it. Tyrone no more pukey than the rest, says the papa of puke football himself. What you reckon, Ricey? “Sure you wouldn’t want to be listening to Spillane, would you?”

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Ricey nails it there. Southies resent us, they fear us. They hate the way that even though all the obstacles that have been placed in front of, we overcame them and we’re better than them. They can’t stand that so they always look to get that advantage and their whinging and moaning when we refuse to be bullied is music to our ears.

[QUOTE=“Nembo Kid, post: 1139661, member: 2514”]
Ricey nails it there. Southies resent us, they fear us. They hate the way that even though all the obstacles that have been placed in front of, we overcame them and we’re better than them. They can’t stand that so they always look to get that advantage and their whinging and moaning when we refuse to be bullied is music to our ears.[/QUOTE]

An article that’s two years old about a team from the previous decade. Tyrone going nowhere as long as their players and supporters continue to pat themselves on the back and live in the past. While Tyrone and their followers are still living in 2005 & 2008 and their once in a lifetime team, Dublin and Kerry are quietly going about their business of adding to their haul.

Team to be announced tonight. According to the latest rumours Morgan is a major doubt and unlikely to make it.

1 – Michael O’Neill – Cluain Eo – Appearances 7 (1)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – Appearances 62 (11)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – Appearances 37 (5)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – Appearances 64 (14)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór – Appearances 38 (8 )
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – Appearances 84 (30)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – Appearances 83 (25)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – Appearances 101 (36)
9 – Padraig McNulty – DĂșn Geanainn – Appearances 12 (0)
10 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – Appearances 23 (1)
11 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac – Appearances 58 (16)
12 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh – Appearances 19 (2)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – Appearances 39 (13)
14 – Sean Cavanagh © – An Mhaigh – Appearances 202 (72)
15 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo – Appearances 36 (9)

16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – Appearances 37 (6)
17 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – Appearances 3 (0)
18 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – Appearances 1 (0)
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh – Appearances 37 (12)
20 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach – Appearances 17 (0)
21 – Danny McBride – An Srath Bán – Appearances 18 (3)
22 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair – Appearances 9 (0)
23 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais – Appearances 31 (7)
24 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh – Appearances 117 (56)
25 – Cathal McShane – E R UĂ­ NĂ©ill – Appearances 6 (0)
26 – Ronan O Neill – An Omaigh – Appearances 32 (6)

Bit disappointed if the team starts like that, also disappointed not to see Niall McKenna or McGeary in the 26.

[QUOTE=“Nembo Kid, post: 1140724, member: 2514”]1 – Michael O’Neill – Cluain Eo – Appearances 7 (1)
2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin – Appearances 62 (11)
3 – Ronan McNamee – Achadh Uí Aráin – Appearances 37 (5)
4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór – Appearances 64 (14)
5 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mór – Appearances 38 (8 )
6 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh – Appearances 84 (30)
7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin – Appearances 83 (25)
8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh – Appearances 101 (36)
9 – Padraig McNulty – DĂșn Geanainn – Appearances 12 (0)
10 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair – Appearances 23 (1)
11 – Matthew Donnelly – Trí Leac – Appearances 58 (16)
12 – Barry Tierney – An Omaigh – Appearances 19 (2)
13 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc – Appearances 39 (13)
14 – Sean Cavanagh © – An Mhaigh – Appearances 202 (72)
15 – Connor McAliskey – Cluain Eo – Appearances 36 (9)

16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc – Appearances 37 (6)
17 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac – Appearances 3 (0)
18 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair – Appearances 1 (0)
19 – Conor Clarke – An Omaigh – Appearances 37 (12)
20 – Peter Hughes – Eiscreach – Appearances 17 (0)
21 – Danny McBride – An Srath Bán – Appearances 18 (3)
22 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chochair – Appearances 9 (0)
23 – Ryan McKenna – Eaglais – Appearances 31 (7)
24 – Joe McMahon – An Omaigh – Appearances 117 (56)
25 – Cathal McShane – E R UĂ­ NĂ©ill – Appearances 6 (0)
26 – Ronan O Neill – An Omaigh – Appearances 32 (6)

Bit disappointed if the team starts like that, also disappointed not to see Niall McKenna or McGeary in the 26.[/QUOTE]

Prepare to be disappointed then. With the new rules, 1-15 will be taking to the field, as named, unless Morgan recovers. If he’s fit enough to be named on the bench, you’d imagine he’ll start. Can’t see Donegal losing this one.

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/1405151343-new-rules-for-team-lists-and-match-day-panels/

Ratings

O’Neill 9
McCarron 6
Justy 8
McNamee 8
Tierney 6
McNabb 6
McCrory 6
C Cavanagh 7
S Cavanagh 7
Harte 8
Donnelly 7
Brennan 6
McCurry 5
McShane 4
McAliskey 8

My admiration for Mickey Harte grows and grows.


Mickey Harte has thrown his weight behind the No campaign in the Marriage Equality Referendum.

Voting has been underway since 7am and the Tyrone manager last night issued a statement calling for a No vote.

“A lot of my friends are voting No in the marriage referendum,” he said.

“They believe in gay people and their rights. They believe in the importance of marriage between men and women. They believe in children having their fathers and mothers around.”

The three-time All-Ireland winning boss added: “They believe Irish people should decide this issue for themselves without being lectured by their media or bought off by international foundations. I believe they are right.”

NK- I was just about to post saying I saw a letter from a Mickey Harte in todays Indo. Was wondering if it was the man himself

[QUOTE=“Nembo Kid, post: 1145743, member: 2514”]My admiration for Mickey Harte grows and grows.


Mickey Harte has thrown his weight behind the No campaign in the Marriage Equality Referendum.

Voting has been underway since 7am and the Tyrone manager last night issued a statement calling for a No vote.

“A lot of my friends are voting No in the marriage referendum,” he said.

“They believe in gay people and their rights. They believe in the importance of marriage between men and women. They believe in children having their fathers and mothers around.”

The three-time All-Ireland winning boss added: “They believe Irish people should decide this issue for themselves without being lectured by their media or bought off by international foundations. I believe they are right.”[/QUOTE]

The pro rapist is anti equality

Big casualties in the first round of the Tyrone Club Championship.

The draw was very lopsided so this was to be expected.

Errigal, Clonoe, Adrboe and Carrickmore all gone in the first round.

QF draw looks like this:

Omagh v Dromore
Strabane v Killyclogher
Donaghmore v Coalisland
Trillick v Greencastle

Hard to see past Omagh again this year, Dromore are their biggest challengers with Killyclogher and Coalisland outside bets. The other four are just there to make up the numbers. Would fancy Omagh, Killyclogher, Coalisland and Trillick to make the last 4.

Lee Brennan hit 1-10 for Trillick in their game on Saturday.

On the county scene, now that the first round of the club championship is over Harte is expected to add names to his squad. Would expect a few of the u21s like McGeary, McNulty, Brennan and Cassiy to be considered. Ciaran McGinley actually played for Errigal today so clearly he is available, wouldn’t be surprised to see him drafted in. Would be nice to see Coney and Lavery drafted back in but I would deem it very unlikely. McCarron picked up an injury for Dromore last week and is a big doubt for the first round of the Championship.

Draw takes place for the qualifiers 1st round tomorrow, potential opponents are:

Louth
Westmeath or Wexford
Meath or Wicklow
Donegal or Armagh
Leitrim
Down
Limerick

Obviously avoiding the losers of the Donegal-Armagh game is a must, Down are capable of causing us bother as well but everyone else should be a walk in the park.

Lee Brennan and Conor Meyler added to the senior squad according to teamtalkmag. Brennan is a great talent but we do have plenty of players of his like in McCurry, McAliskey, Bradley and O’Neill and can probably only accommodate two at most at the one time. Think McNulty, Hampsey or McGeary would have been better shouts for a spot. Meyler is a very impressive player, real grafter and should fit in well with the current style we’re playing, again not the biggest now.

Brennan’s inclusion now means we have 5 sets of brothers on the panel:

Mattie and Richie Donnelly
Ruairi and Lee Brennan
Joe and Justy McMahon
Tiernan and Conal McCann
Sean and Colm Cavanagh

Ryan McKenna has also opted out of the panel. Niall McKenna seems to have picked up a hamstring injury so I’d imagine he’ll struggle to get a place on the team again this year. We’re quite short of options in the full back line, McCarron picked up an injury for Dromore recently so doubt he will be risked for Limerick unless he is 100%.

I’d go with the following side for Limerick in two weeks time:

  1. Mickey O’Neill

  2. McCrory

  3. Clarke

  4. McNamee

  5. McNabb

  6. Justy

  7. Ruairi Brennan

  8. Colm Cavangh

  9. McNulty

  10. Mattie Donnelly

  11. Harte

  12. Sean Cavanagh

  13. McCurry

  14. McAliskey

  15. McShane

  16. Morgan

  17. Bradley

  18. Carlin

  19. Richie Donnelly

  20. McBride

  21. Conal McCann

  22. Tiernan McCann

  23. Joe McMahon

  24. Conor Meyler

  25. Ronan O’Neill

  26. Barry Tierney

Ronan McNamee appears to be the latest player to have left the panel, I wouldn’t have been overly concerned with any of the departures up until now but McNamee would be an absolutely huge loss, probably been Tyrone’s best defender this year and he’s probably our best man marker. Mickey will have to draft in some replacements for the full back line as we’re badly short of options there now with McKenna, McNamee and Quinn all departing since the league finished.

[QUOTE=“Nembo Kid, post: 1155558, member: 2514”]
Obviously avoiding the losers of the Donegal-Armagh game is a must, Down are capable of causing us bother as well but everyone else should be a walk in the park.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying that Tyrone would struggle against that shite Armagh side that played Donegal the other day?

That shite Armagh side were minutes away from an All Ireland semi-final 10 months ago. McGeeney got things badly wrong Sunday.