You didn’t see Westmeath and Carlow play yet have ya?
He has an edge, no different to alot of the better players. He will have to get cuter for sure.
He’s borderline thuggish.
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So?
It was a smart decision, bit i would sugvest it was more to rest players and make a statement to a few of them and possibly throw in a few young heads.
It’s an observation that a lot of them are townie cunts likely to lash out when things aren’t going their way
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I am being serious. A beating like that is very hard to take, but there’s a very fine line between a narrow loss and getting beaten out the gate if heads drop. Taking off Brick, Gleeson, Connors and Mahony was conceding. Whether it damages the team psychologically or not is now down to management. Heavy defeats don’t have to be long term damaging, to give one example, Kilkenny annihilated Galway in 2004, and effectively the same teams played in 2005 with a very different outcome.
The only conclusion I would make from yesterday (once again) is the provincials are irrelevant. I think Waterford will be back strongly this year.
Think you might be mixing a couple of different points there. Connors and Walsh were probably Waterford’s worst 2 performers yesterday along with Shanahan and O’Keeffe. They were getting hammered by the time the changes were made and had nothing on the line to change the way it was going. If any of them are thinking that they only got beaten by 21 points because they took off some players to rest them, then they are fooling themselves. They can still turn it around (hammered Galway after the last hammering they took off Tipp) but it won’t have much to do with hauling off those 4 players imo.
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A stupid ignorant pointless observation so.
Fair enough, I was just trying to cheer up the absent fagan. Heavy defeats happen, and all of us experience them (even Kilkenny in 2012, but it didn’t stop them for long). In the current format they don’t have to be season ending. It is all psychological at this stage though, either you use it as motivation in the right way, or it can really set back a young team. Don’t know enough about the Waterford setup to say which is more likely, but the players are good enough to bounce back imo.
The tfk way!
I agree with @Mac. Austin Gleeson could conceivably have received about 4 straight red cards already this season and it was probably in McGrath’s mind when taking him off.
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Other examples
Tipp v Clare 1993/94
Limerick v Clare 1994/95
Kilkenny v Wexford 2003/04
Kilkenny v Dublin 2012/13
A more pertinent example is 2011 when Waterford lost to Tipperary by 21 points yet beat Galway out the gate in the quarter-final two weeks later and also put up a pretty respectable performance against Kilkenny in the semi-final. To be fair to Davy Fitzgerald, if ever a match showed he has something about him as a manager it was that one.
Waterford have always fared well in All-Ireland quarter-finals. I think their historical record in them is 7-2 in their favour.
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The provincials are not irrelevant to the Munster counties, certainly not to Limerick in 2013 or Cork in 2015 or Tipp last year or Waterford in 2010 or Clare in 1998 (see what I did there).
That’s pretty bizarre reasoning on your behalf, Bricks legs are gone and the heavy sod and conditions yesterday certainly didn’t help, O’Mahony missed easy frees and was poor in general play, Connors was filleted and Gleeson should have been red carded for his challenge on Patrick Maher in the first half along with his ongoing niggles with Cathal Barrett throughout.
Really cunning ploy from the Waterford management to concede when they were 10 points down playing against a gale and being overrun all over the pitch.
Gleeson’s hurley into the head of Bonner Maher in the first half while Waterford were on top would prove that there was very much recent history of that.
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Fagan is knocking around handing out the likes and not posing. His last post was just before the 2 lads were banned so I’m guessing he’s taking a self imposed exile to keep them company.
Which one is Fagan?
He went off last year for a few months after Waterford got beaten. He was gone before the Munster Final this year.
He is biting his tongue. Forcing himself not to respond to the criticism of the Waterford hurlers.
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