Munster Rugby - We DID start the fire (Part 1)

Timā€™s post, like most others, misses the point. For example if you have 2 extra home league games then the season ticket price for every club would obviously increase, offsetting the loss from not having european games as part of the package. Bristol had an average home attendance of 8k at their 3 european games last year, and an average home attendance of 16k at their 11 home league games. Iā€™m fairly certain every single English club had a smaller average european attendance than league attendance last year, some by huge amounts.
Anyway the discussion is gone beyond anything to do with Munster so il leave it at that.

Wouldnā€™t the Aviva prem have a good few games in Wembley or Twickenham a season too where they hand out tickets for free that would boast average attendance quite significantly?

Except it says it right there, the top European games adds value to the season ticket package. Not only that, they can increase the price of travelling supporters tickets.

If they pulled out, they wouldnā€™t have extra games. Theyā€™d be straight up replacing games with more of the same that they have week in week out. Distorted averages are all over the place because of the big Wembley and Twickenham games. Aside from that though, youā€™ve taken the most extreme example there with Bristol, who played in the tier two competition against complete and utter minnows.

And this again entirely ignores the actual TV money impact. The AP gets about Ā£33m a year for their league. The French tv rights for Europe are worth ā‚¬31m a season alone that goes into the central pot alongside UK & Ireland tv money, for significantly less games. There is simply no replacing that revenue with 6 more fixtures of the same.

Thereā€™s no missing the point, Iā€™ve looked at yours and challenged them.

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Great postā€¦aside from all of that @Halfpipe is also ignoring the fact that the English clubs battled very hard over 24 months to wrestle control over the competition. Not the actions of clubs who dont see it as a serious earner.

With all due respect to @Halfpipe he hasnā€™t thought this through at all

Itā€™s a competition none of the English clubs get too worked up about until the knockout stages, and then everyone wants to win big knockout games. Irish clubs are far more emotionally invested in the whole thing. Partly marketing, and partly enjoying being part of a more global competition I reckon.
I suspect the days of the premiership and pro14 are numbered going forward as the big clubs will push for a European league.

Make no bones about it if there was no European cup the provinces wouldnā€™t survive.

Where would you two extra teams from too. The clubs in the English championship are tiny bar Newcastle.

Partly the shed load of cash it generates

Good point

The team that finished second last year had an average attendance of 2k. Iā€™d say if Europe went the most likely out come is a home and away six nations which would be brilliant but probably not sustainable.

Whatever happened Ben Betts?

It generates cash because of the buy in from the Irish rugby public and hence the provinces, which goes back to my original point

Itā€™s amazing how many of those clubs can sustain a pro set up. I was at a championship game last year. Crowd approx 500 at Ā£10 a head. Without sugar daddies no way they can afford to run a club

Playing with Ealing. Apparently they have a bug money backer pushing to get into premership

Horse shit. The tv deal is huge in France and UK

Players getting minimum wage if even

Flatty is trolling, boring enough at this stage.

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Sarracens have snubbed the launch of the European Cup.

#SUAF