Sure a bad 12 months but he had a great season the previous year. I quoted your post but I wasnt directing the reply at you, simply expanding on yours. I think Rooneys gotten a raw deal from United on the whole in how he was used more often than not but as I said originally, heâs gotten well paid at the same time.
Is his United career in Roo-ins? Will he stay t-Roo to the club? Or will he p-Roo-ve himself again?
Rooney is the most overrated player in the world.
In other news the press are speculating Moyes wants to spend ÂŁ40m on Baines and Felliani. :D:D
[quote=âRocko, post: 770515, member: 1â]There is certainly absolutely nothing in the twitter description.
At this stage itâs just rumour that he wants to leave. As Juhy says ÂŁ30m would be a very decent price to get for him, but only if they spend it on someone else of superior quality. His form has been indifferent and heâs nowhere near the player he threatened to be but United donât need money. They get ÂŁ40m from DHL. Would they rather have Rooney and no training kit deal or a training kit deal and no Rooney. Iâd go for the former.[/quote]
Not sure about that Rocko. He turned up way overweight after the summer. If his head has been turned yet again then itâs very possible heâd be a bad influence on the dressing room. Iâm sure youâve experienced this in your time as tfk supremo. Nothing worse than a lad whoâs popular in the squad being pissed off.
[quote=âIl Bomber Destro, post: 770535, member: 1052â]Rooney is the most overrated player in the world.
In other news the press are speculating Moyes wants to spend ÂŁ40m on Baines and Felliani. :D:D[/quote]
Do you believe everything you read in The Sun ?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4921521/David-Moyes-in-raid-for-Leighton-Baines-and-Marouane-Fellaini.html
[quote=âcroppy_boy, post: 770543, member: 306â]Do you believe everything you read in The Sun ?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4921521/David-Moyes-in-raid-for-Leighton-Baines-and-Marouane-Fellaini.html[/quote]
Itâs the kind of brainless move Iâd expect from Moyes.
The sun FFsâŚ
Fortunately none of the TFK players are popular with each other so the situation has never arisen.
Why is that pal? He didnât pay âŹ40 million for them the first time around.
I think Moyes will transpire to be a superb appointment.
No he paid ÂŁ21m.
Ferguson phoned Jose personally to tell him he was retiring according to Jose. Jose also revealed that he approves of Moyes as Fergusonâs successor, and that they have a good relationshipâŚFuck off you utter cunt. I look forward to my beloved Reds giving it to this cunt next season should he return to the rent boys.
There was a glimpse into the future of the David Moyes press conference. There were the satellite TV vans, flung down into the ditch on Finch Lane; the heaving press conference room; the club official stepping in, two minutes before Moyes did, to move his chair two inches, lining it up with the sponsorsâ logos. His Friday lunchtime press conferences have always concluded with some conversation for press journalists in the sanctity of a room where no cameras are rolling. Now there was none. Everyone was in together.
[SIZE=13px][FONT=Georgia]Yet even this more straitened half an hour of Moyesâ company revealed his potential to provide a more inviting and attractive face to his new club than the one we have come to know under Sir Alex Ferguson. Fergusonâs accomplishments have led this weekâs The Economist to proclaim him as âThe socialist internationalâ who, in public-policy terms, has established a superb domestic education system and a liberal immigration policy but, amid all the retrospective glow about his war on journalists in the past few days, it shouldnât be forgotten that he was a bully and a dictator when he wanted to be â and that often felt less than pleasant.
The arbitrary, often unfathomable, bans included the one dished out to the reporter who asked about Ryan Giggsâ importance to the team when there were to be no questions about the playerâs sex life. âWeâll get him. Weâll ban him,â Ferguson said behind his hand to his press secretary in a clip which has been dusted off again this week. But the sharp end of his tongue was the worst of it and the victims of it â who asked the wrong question, the wrong question at the wrong time and, a particular Ferguson favourite, too many questions â found it punishing. It is always left to Sky News journalists to lead the line at his press conference, like the first men out of the trenches and over the top, and how some of their reporters were ravaged. A question at last Octoberâs press conference in Cluj, about Scotlandâs part in a spectacular Ryder Cup win, sticks in the mind. âThis is a press conference about a bloody football match. Youâve got to go way over the top with your programme. Iâm not answering that. Weâre here to talk about football. ChristâŚâ
Those kinds of moments would elicit some nervous laughter, maybe just a deathly silence, and the problem was that no one, present company included, was prepared to say something to rescue the poor individual on the receiving end. The question of solidarity was raised by the Football Writersâ Associationâs Christopher Davies, who in a good piece for the Associationâs website quoted The Timesâ European football columnist, Gabriele Marcotti, among others. âIn Italy we have a strong newspapers and journalistsâ guild,â Marcotti said. âPeople wouldnât stand for it. If a newspaper was banned in Italy I think what would happen is that people would boycott the next press conference. When Jose Mourinho was coach at Inter Milan he banned an individual journalist. At his next press conference the moment he sat down everyone got up and walked out. In Italy we tend to sink or fall together.â
Moyes has tended to deal in a different way â and one which demonstrates that he is also hard as nails. When he didnât care for this newspaper reporting suggestions that Chelsea had added Leighton Baines to their wish list last January â stories about richer clubs looking at his players have always particularly infuriated him â he simply named us in a derogatory way in front of the satellite TV cameras. You feared for a more intimate type of interrogation when the cameras were off but heâd had his say. All done.
It might need to be a two-way street if the spirit of mutual understanding is to be maintained in the way it always has between Moyes â who would always turn up, willing to talk, at the FWAâs Manchester managers lunch â and the media. Fergusonâs mistrust, which verged on paranoia at times, set in because he discerned â correctly â that rolling TV news was a beast which had to be fed and that the newspapers were striving to keep a step ahead of it. Yesterday morningâs papers delivered the Daily Starâs front page splash âMoyes death threat terrorâ and suggestions elsewhere that he wants to boot out Wayne Rooney before heâs even made the phone call to him which, as we report elsewhere on these pages, he intends to make. Moyes found himself publicly derided by the broadcasting fraternity before heâd even got down to talk yesterday, because of a decision not to discuss United. Thatâs rolling news for you.
For a while, at least, Moyesâ United press conferences will not be a place to go with a sense of fear and they are likely to make the discussion of the club the richer because of it. Ferguson had that incomparable way of conjuring journalistic gold dust out of thin air â the âcartoon cavalcadeâ defence of his, named after a 1950s Scottish childrenâs TV show, was a relatively recent one â but at times it seemed like he had his script prepared and the individuals in front of him simply dictated the course of it.
United have become a more open club in other ways. The chief executive-designate, Ed Woodward, who starts his new job on the same day as Moyes, has gradually become willing to discuss the club on the record with the sports business news press corps, in a way which is good for the dissemination of the clubâs message â flogging the brand, as you might call it, which is all the more import now there is a share price to think about. Woodward is approachable, down-to-earth, relaxed and one âwho talks to you on your levelâ, according to a member of that fraternity.
Moyes has some acclimatising to do. Being filmed driving into training and mobbed by Japanese fans on pre-season tour are not part of the Everton job description. But when someone adhered to the ban on United questions yesterday with an opening gambit of âthoughts on facing West Ham United?â he exploded into laughter. Sincerity, honesty and levity ensued. Perhaps we may be about to experience a new face of Manchester United.[/FONT][/SIZE]
What a shit post.
Thereâs plenty of way to gauge a good manager and Moyes was and is a very good manager. Much like Brian Clough, Moyes had the knack of taking on moderate players and improving them beyond belief.
[FONT=Calibri]Phil Jagielka- Championship player with Sheff Utd[/FONT]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Tim Cahill- Championship player with Millwall[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Leon Osman - Doubt any other EPL manager even give him a chance[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Jack Rodwell- Similar to Osman, developed him into a fine player and realised a tidy profit.[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Leighton Baines- No other EPL manager was prepared to take a chance on him[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Joseph Yobo - Another unheralded player when signed by Moyes[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Seamus Coleman - Picked up from Sligo Rovers.[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Stephen Pienaar - A great signing for 2m from Dortmund where he flopped.[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Tim Howard - Another flop at a bigger club[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Mikel Arteta - Signed for 2m, was worth 15m at his peak.[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][FONT=Calibri]Whats equally impressive is he managed to make David Weir, Alan Stubbs, Phil Neville and a few more geriatrics extremely competent at EPL level and prolonged their career. Its probably a skill set thatâs not needed at Manchester United, because their modus operandi for decades has been to buy the end product player thatâs spotted and developed elsewhere.[/FONT][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][SIZE=15px][FONT=Georgia]Moyes, hasnât proved to be a good manager when it comes to the job of winning trophys. Fair enough Everton were never going to win the league, but in 22 attempts it was probably realistic that he delivered an odd league cup or FA Cup and there was more than a few times when it looked like it was opening up for them and they didnât capitalise.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=13px][FONT=arial][SIZE=15px][FONT=Calibri]Everton really choked against Liverpool at the Wembley last season. No guarantee theyâd have beaten Chelsea but their meek surrender that day against Liverpool was perhaps the seminal result of the Moyes era. You could also look at this season â two games against Wigan (home) and Milwall to make another (admittedly potentially difficult final v City/Utd/Chelsea as it was at the time) final. The closest he came to an FA Cup win was 2009 when he beat the top two (Utd & Liverpool) en route and gave a good show against Chelsea but came up short. The League Cup of course is a disaster zone for Everton. Theyâre the most trophied club never to have won it. Think they only made one semi final appearance under Moyes.[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]
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[FONT=Calibri]Heâs completely untested though in the only skill set that matters at Manchester United, delivering a never ending set of trophies for a most fickle and demanding support. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Thereâs plenty of way to gauge a good manager and Moyes was and is a very good manager. Much like Brian Clough, Moyes has the knack of taking on moderate players and improving them beyond belief.
[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Phil Jagielka- Championship player with Sheff Utd[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Tim Cahill- Championship player with Millwall[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Leon Osman - Doubt any other EPL manager even give him a chance[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Jack Rodwell- Similar to Osman, developed him into a fine player and realised a tidy profit.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Leighton Baines- No other EPL manager was prepared to take a chance on him[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Joseph Yobo - Another unheralded player when signed by Moyes[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Seamus Coleman - Picked up from Sligo Rovers.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Stephen Pienaar - A great signing for 2m from Dortmund where he flopped.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Tim Howard - Another flop at a bigger club[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Mikel Arteta - Signed for 2m, was worth 15m at his peak.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Whats equally impressive is how he managed to make the likes of David Weir, Alan Stubbs, Phil Neville and a few more geriatrics extremely competent at EPL level and prolonged their career. Its probably a skill set though thatâs not needed at Manchester United, because their modus operandi for decades has been to buy the end product player thatâs spotted and developed elsewhere.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Moyes, hasnât proved to be a good manager when it comes to the job of winning trophys. Fair enough Everton were never going to win the league, but in 22 attempts it was probably realistic that he delivered an odd league cup or FA Cup and there was more than a few times when it looked like it was opening up for Moyes and his teams never seemed able to capitalise.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman]Everton really choked against Liverpool at the Wembley last season. No guarantee theyâd have beaten Chelsea in the final but their meek surrender that day against Liverpool was perhaps the seminal result of the Moyes era. You could also look at this season â two games against Wigan (home) and Milwall to make another (admittedly potentially difficult final v City/Utd/Chelsea as it was at the time) final. Instead they were routed by Wigan. The closest he came to an FA Cup win was 2009 when he beat the top two (Utd & Liverpool) en route and gave a good show against Chelsea but came up short. The League Cup of course is a disaster zone for Everton. Theyâre the most trophied club never to have won it. Think they only made one semi final appearance under Moyes.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman]Moyes is completely untested though in the only skill set that really matters at Manchester United, delivering a never ending set of trophies for a most fickle and demanding support.[/FONT]
Bump.
Can Ole Gunnar be asked at this late stage to take over or is the Cardiff deal done?
[quote=âCaptainshan, post: 880787, member: 41â]Bump.
Can Ole Gunnar be asked at this late stage to take over or is the Cardiff deal done?[/quote]
FFS Shan, you would have found it tough following United in the 70âs and 80âs.
Probbably wouldnt have been following them. Ha Ha. 
Moyesie has done the job better and quicker than I expected.