Is Britain ungovernable at this stage?
Jaysus heâs gone a long time now, hasnât even checked in since March 5.
Serious respect for anybody who can quit this place for real, theyâre few and far between 
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Britain is ungovernable by anybody vaguely sensible because the fascists and the fascist media and fascist social media are totally out of control and have the power of the worldâs richest and worst people to pump-prime them.
Itâs no conspiracy theory to say thereâs a worldwide fascist conspiracy and it is the most powerful political force on earth.
The power of the Israel lobby - which is an integral part of the worldwide fascist conspiracy - is completely destabilising Britain because anybody who tells the truth immediately has the full force of that worldwide fascist conspiracy unleashed upon them.
I didnât know that you could check that?
Flatty is alive and well on the Side groups
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Very quick rise for the new MP Andy Burnham
Wonderful
Be sure to wish him our best 
I was talking to him in the MAMIL sidegroup the other day
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Heâs also active in the North West England coffee and pastry side group
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Grand looking girl in fairness
Cilla had something about her alright
The reasons are pretty varied though.
One of them is like here that the behaviour of politicians has changed. Yes there were historical rebellions of backbench MPs, but they have become more frequent in recent years (since Brexit really).
Itâs a bit like here in that getting into government is no longer the be all and end all for 99% of politicians. Just being able to stick around is and itâs a lot easier to do that in a social media age without the reliance on government (and the money that flows from power) and a party machine.
The welfare rebellion was one of the major things that sunk Starmer and wouldnât have happened 20 years ago with that kind of majority. Essentially the backbenchers knew they were killing the Government but went ahead with that anyway.
Thereâs other factors too of course. The likes of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss were not serious people and should never have got into the roles they did. Even Rachel Reeves probably should never have got into the job she did but did for not serious reasons, being honest about it. That in itself is probably telling on politics generally. Itâs hard to get serious people into it.
[quote=âTim_Riggins, post:1898, topic:17403, full:trueâ] That in itself is probably telling on politics generally. Itâs hard to get serious people into it.
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Yeah, I wouldnât go near it.
Would and would have.
Rebelling against a welfare bill that will push hundreds of thousands of people into poverty is the least youâd expect from Labour MPs.
What is the point of being in Government if youâre going to piss all over vulnerable people, who should be making up your base? They still brought in a bill that will push at least 100k into poverty.
People who want to believe in a Labour Government then understandably start thinking âwhy the fuck would we believe in a party that wants to punish the disabled?â
The behaviour of politicians overwhelmingly stems from the information environment. The problem is both traditional media and social media and Britain has one of the worst, most right traditional medias anywhere. Politics is treated as soap opera. Deeply malign, evil actors are constantly platformed and pushed. Concentration spans have collapsed. There are vast woroldwide propaganda campaigns to push fascist lies. What tens of millions of people in Britain believe now is bullshit pushed by a ketamine-addled Nazi from apartheid South Africa who rarely leaves his basement in California or Texas or wherever he is. The bullshit machine, politics as entertainment, is why you get Boris Johnson and Liz Truss and Nigel Farage and Rupert Lowe.
Polticians are literally petrified to stand up to this bullshit machine and have constantly caved in the face of it. People are leaving or not going into politics because of it which lowers the quality of politicians and sends us into a constantly worsening negative circle.
Starmer got the Labour leadership literally because he caved to the bullshit machine of the Israel lobby. He has stood over Israelâs genocide. He has refused to tell people the truth about Brexit. He has consistently moved to occupy Farageâs ground on immigration, a move which is destined to end in disaster for Labour.
It would not have mattered if Keir Starmer was the most competent and morally responsible Prime Minister in history - he was always going to become highly unpopular straight away once in Government because he has no charisma and because the forces ranged against him are far too great.
Blair, the evil cunt that he is, had one major skill, he would listen to a point made by a critic, and then use his power of rhetoric to turn things back at the critic and go on the offensive. Nobody has that skill now.
Slogans and bullshit reign entirely.
In the same way Tories and Kippers and Yaxley-Lennon fetishists want a fictional Prime Minster named Sir Boris Winston Bulldog the Fifth (Heil Bulldog) who will magically reverse time to a fictional 1945 where Britain, or England, has both defeated Nazi Germany and united with Nazi Germany, the pool of people who want to vote Labour want a fictional Prime Minister named Harry Prescott who speaks in an irreverent, chirpy Yorkshire accent, wears a tweed fedora hat, smokes a pipe, attends Rugby League matches, isnât afraid to give a belt on the face to a right wing thug who attacks him, loves colliery bands but is also totally down with rap and grime artists even though he freely admits to knowing very little about it, and who will speak uncomfortable left wing TRUTHS that right wingers donât want to hear, who will speak like a Yorkshire Mick Lynch.
Theyâve picked Andy Burnham because they think heâs the closest person available to this carciature. But the best Burnham can hope for is to arrest the slide and maybe have a partial rebound, like Roy Evans at Liverpool after Souness, but with no real hope of getting back to where they were two years ago and with no real hope of winning a majority next time, at best getting back in in a hung parliament.
Burnham wonât be able to deliver on the imagined caricature that is getting him the job.
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You see youâre arguing the rights and wrongs of it.
The reality is different. Historically rebellions of that scale were unusual and were the result of a seismic event (Iraq or more recently Brexit).
Now they arenât.
And no, itâs not because they are more dastardly than they were historically.
Itâs because the behaviour of politicians has changed and that has a direct impact
Anybody not arguing the rights and wrongs of poltical issues is merely peddling propaganda.
Dan OâBrien does that.
The internet, social media and the advent of camera phones is the biggest change to human behaviour since, well I donât know, but itâs a massive change. Thatâs what the change of behaviour is. And the effects are disastrous. And Britain is ungovernable by any half-sensible person precisely because of the change in general human behaviour and thought processes.
