That’s yourself out of the picture so
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I’m living rent free in your head and all because I use pesky facts instead of the propaganda you prefer.
I don’t know how ye stick it on craggy Island
Was the 1995 Munster final on again
Not a facemask in sight, in the pub or the town.
Lads still arguing that countries should have similar outcomes based on where they are on a map rather than the approach they took. Norway, Finland, Denmark and Iceland were the only countries in Europe to close their borders early and keep them closed. This is firmly established as the only way to have kept Covid deaths to a minimum as they never had widespread community spread (see New Zealand and Australia). Norway, Finland and Iceland only ever opened their borders to each other, Denmark relaxed somewhat in late 2020 and had a wave of deaths in winter.
18 months into a pandemic, excess deaths is the best metric that demonstrates how well or badly individual countries did. Age adjusted excess deaths are an even better metric, as Covid disproportionately impacted the elderly and some countries have an older population than others. Ireland for example has one of the youngest populations in Europe (one of the reasons is emigration in the 40s and 50s mostly to the UK. How many of the UK deaths were Irish born?).
The same people arguing how badly Sweden did were arguing in March/April 2020 that they would have 100k deaths by summer 2020 based on the experts. As of today they have 144 deaths per 100k, the UK has 188, Italy has 211, Belgium 216, Czech Rep 283. By avoiding useless lockdowns, Sweden also protected small businesses and didn’t have the decimation of this sector seen in most western countries.
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Sweden had no lockdown (at all) and still outperformed loads of countries. It’s gas that people still believe lockdowns are effective.
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What it proves is
Lockdowns = ineffective
Initial closing of borders = effective
I believe it was @glasagusban who is/was pro lockdown, anti-closing of borders.
That’s a very reasoned, detailed and informed post.
That is easier said than done. There are hundreds of supply chain workers that come into and out of Ireland every single day
I know that.
It’s easier managing hundreds of workers coming in and out every day but Ireland have open travel until mid April possibly after the initial outbreak where 10s of thousands were coming and going every day, many of whom were tourists.
Thanks.
An interesting question is what would the UK look like if it had followed the Swedish approach. According to the Ferguson models the UK would have had 500k deaths rather than the 128k it has had. According to the same model Sweden should have had 100k deaths but has had 14,600. This of course is the model developed by the same lad who caused a genocide of 4 million cattle to stop a disease that killed 177 people.
There’s no evidence lockdowns saved a single life, but they most assuredly caused the loss of many due to missed cancer screening and treatments. Schools should have been left open, small businesses left open, people encouraged to exercise and lose weight rather than staying indoors, and the effort put into keeping Covid out of hospitals and nursing homes.
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its opening up, its opening up, England’s opening up
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Meanwhile Australia’s hospitals are at crisis point.
there’s 3 lads in ICU?
One Nurse had covid so now they’ve half the hospital out of work
So you don’t know what the UK would have looked like had it done what Sweden did, but you’re claiming to.
It’s hard to believe that somebody that has such clairvoyant skills is stuck on a forum like this rather than implementing public health responses.
Also, if lockdowns didn’t work, why did the Nordic countries who did lockdown have such better outcomes than Sweden?
Folks seem to have a problem accepting that Sweden would have had far less fatalities had they adopted the same approach as their neighbours. That old gem about being allowed your own opinion but not your own facts never rang as true. The report gives the facts and clearly infers that Sweden’s approach resulted in higher fatalities.
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The giveaway as to the problem they have is their consistently angered, aggressive tone.
The OIUTF lads get very riled up with a bit of truth is told.