Official 2011 All Ireland Hurling Championship Thread

an moltoir’s views on the Waterford V Galway match

[color="#2288bb"]THE CONSISTENCY OF GALWAY’S INCONSISTENCY

Predicting the trends and outcomes of hurling matches is a game for fools and professional sports writers. Who could have envisaged Cork’s first round destruction of Tipperary last year, or Tipp’s seven goal trouncing of Waterford in this year’s Munster final?

Trying to draw a line of form between successive matches is equally futile. A case in point: In 2003, Waterford and Limerick played an epic, rip-roaring, free-scoring Munster semi-final which ended in a draw, 4-13 apiece. In the replay a week later, the same two teams produced a game of abysmal turgidity, with Waterford scraping over the line by 1-12 to 0-13, an extraordinarily low score for hurling at that level.

Prior to last Sunday’s All-Ireland Quarter Final between Galway and Waterford, the professional pundits mainly focused on Waterford’s blow-out in the Munster Final and its psychological impact on the players, and on Galway’s decisive qualifer victories against Cork and Clare. The Sunday Times assembled an expert panel which spent some time speculating on how Galway would fare against Kilkenny in the All-Ireland semi-final. Their advice for Waterford was to “throw in the young lads” and “let them off”. Chief Sports Writer Denis Walsh expected a “demoralised DĂ©ise” to be no problem for a settled, in-form and “formidable” Galway team high in confidence.

However, if one poked deeper into the entrails, one could have found alternative pointers. Waterford have a core of seasoned players, and last Sunday were seeking to qualify for their sixth semi-final in a row and their eighth in ten years. They won the Munster championship last year. They played a lot of good hurling in this year’s national league, despite trying out a lot of new players, and came within a whisker of getting to the final. In their last league game, despite being seriously under strength, they put one over on a strong (on paper) Galway team which was also playing for a place in the final.

There clearly therefore was a lot of quality in the Waterford squad, with additional depth provided by the emergence of new young talent. Our analysis suggested that their Munster final performance was attributable, in large part, to Davy Fitzgerald’s tactical ineptitude, team selection and player placement, and the impact this had on the team’s collective morale. That said, despite Tipp’s goal blitz, they never caved in, and kept plugging away to the end, racking up a creditable 19 points in the process.

For last Sunday’s game, Davy’s tactical concoctions were binned and a much stronger team was put on the field, with most players in their best positions. Instead of the “young lads”, the key additions to the team were Seamus Prendergast and Eoin Kelly, hardened veterans with something to prove. The rumour mill suggests that player power played a key role in this turnaround in approach. Waterford came to Thurles last Sunday to play hurling, and to do so with resolve and commitment. They will also no doubt have received a fillip by the way the county’s minors recovered from their own poor showing in the Munster Final to beat Kilkenny decisively in the All-Ireland quarter final on Saturday night.

So how were Galway likely to respond to this challenge? There are several elements involved in answering that question. First of all, how good are they really? They had beaten a callow Clare outfit saddled with a naĂŻve tactical approach and shorn of a player for most of the second half, and had similarly won well over a Cork team weak in personnel and morale. However, against Dublin, a team of real substance (in both physical and hurling terms) they were, in a word, pathetic.

Secondly, did Galway believe all the media hype and expect that all they had to do was turn up last Sunday? Perhaps they should have heeded the words of former defender Greg Kennedy, quoted in the Sunday Times: “We should beat Waterford if we’re tuned in but I’d be wary of Waterford too”. Thirdly, how would a team of Galway’s legendary flakiness cope with being 1/4 favourites in some betting emporia?

Another factor which may have been of some significance was the fact that the game was being played in Thurles, a pitch where Galway play rarely in the championship and where their record is not good: In the ten years prior to last Sunday they had played there just six times and lost four times. By contrast, Thurles is almost like a home from home for Waterford. They love playing there, partly because they nearly always win there: in the same time period, they played no less than 19 championship games in Semple Stadium, winning 13, drawing three and losing just three times. These things can be important, especially when you are trying to rediscover past form.

Well, we know at least some of the answers now. Last Sunday Galway were almost as bad as they were against Dublin (and for much of the second half they were worse). Denis Walsh’s assertion (in the Sunday Times) that Waterford “don’t have the power to bully Galway like Dublin did” looks foolhardy now, as does his suggestion that Galway “have the better hurlers and the more balanced team” compared with Waterford.

While Galway’s second half collapse seemed surprising after a reasonably competitive first half, on reflection there were telltale signs of what was to come. They did have a slight edge in obtaining primary possession, winning the majority of the puckouts (69% of Waterford’s and 41% of their own). However, they were not able to turn this into territorial advantage, as they were only able to manage 13 shots in the half compared to Waterford’s 19. This is attributable to a combination of poor use of the ball and the tenacity and force of Waterford’s harrying and tackling.

There were also clear signs that Galway were not properly tuned in, as Greg Kennedy feared. James Skehill sent one puckout out over the sideline while Adrian Cullinane failed to control a short puckout which went out for a Waterford sideline. Shortly afterwards, Cullinane, in oceans of space, sent an intended long ball to Joe Canning out over the sideline while Tony Óg Regan overhit a free intended for Canning with the ball bouncing harmlessly over the end line near the corner flag.

Galway’s tactical use of Joe Canning was also hard to fathom. Given the ravaging they experienced in the Munster final, one might have expected the Waterford full back line (and goalkeeper) to be rather fragile psychologically, especially their inexperienced full back in whom Davy Fitzgerald clearly has little confidence. In the circumstances, one might have expected Galway to go for the jugular, placing Canning on the edge of the square and raining ball down on him. Kilkenny certainly would have done that with Henry Shefflin.

Instead, Galway placed Canning on the left wing where he became the target for both long balls and short passing movements. This strategy did yield a few points but never threatened the Waterford goal. In fact the only two times the Waterford goal came under threat in the first half was courtesy of their own mistakes – the first when Noel Connors’s failure to clear the ball allowed Iarla Tannian in for the foul which yielded Canning’s penalty goal, and a misdirected attempt at a short pass from a sideline which allowed Damien Hayes to come in along the end line and place a pass in front of the incoming Iarla Tannian only for Darragh Fives to clear away the danger with a superb flick.

Two sure measures of the poverty of the Galway attacking strategy were the facts that Waterford goalkeeper Clinton Hennessy didn’t have to play the ball once apart from puckouts and frees in the first half and that full back Liam Lawlor got his first touch of the ball in the second minute of added time. Even then, all he had to do was pick up, unmarked, a loose ball sent into the corner by Galway and unload it to full back colleague Fives to complete the clearance.

Ironically, when Galway did change tack and place Canning at full forward at the beginning of the second half, it had the effect of taking him completely out of the game such was the extent of the Galway collapse in the third quarter. Galway’s lack of concentration and discipline was reflected in the fact that Waterford’s first three points after the restart came from silly fouls – a needless tug on Brick Walsh in midfield, Donal Barry dragging Padraig Mahony down when he didn’t even have the ball, and Dave Collins’s stupid strike on Eoin Kelly as the ball was bouncing harmlessly wide.

When Waterford followed these up with two points from play, Galway visibly caved in, and only a sequence of poor shooting by the rampant Waterford forwards saved the westerners from total ignominy. It was nine minutes into the second half before Galway managed their first shot at goal of the half, and another minute before they got their first score. It took them another ten minutes to get their second score – and this was Joe Canning’s first time to play the ball in the half, over 20 minutes after the restart.

With substitute Cyril Donnellan winning some primary ball, and fellow substitute Barry Daly showing a level of effort rare in his colleagues, Galway did win some good possession in the final quarter, but they were largely reduced to shooting for goal from outside the 20 metres line and, while one of these did get through, overall there is little percentage in this. Thus Waterford sauntered to the finish line, their day capped off by Tomás Ryan’s late goal, an event which was sullied by Tony Óg Regan’s nasty blow across Ryan’s hand, delivered well after the latter had got his shot away.

The overall play count provides stark testimony to the poverty of the Galway effort. In the first half Waterford made 100 plays, amounting to 233 quality points (for an average of 2.33) in our system where plays are rated on a scale of 1-5, while Galway made 87 plays for a total of 194 quality points (average 2.23). Thus, not only were Waterford playing the ball more, but they were making better use of it. However, the extent of Galway’s second half collapse was staggering. While Waterford increased their play count to 109 for a quality points total of 279 (an extraordinary average of 2.55), Galway’s play count fell precipitously to just 63 for 144 quality points (average 2.29).

In essence what this means is that Waterford were twice as good as Galway in the second half. They won the majority both of their own (60%) and of Galway’s (58%) puckouts, and at one stage in the third quarter they won six Galway puckouts in a row. They also had 24 shots at goal to Galway’s 14, for an overall total of 43 shots to Galway’s 27.

When compiling the individual play statistics, our initial main interest was to establish whether Kevin Moran or Brick Walsh would emerge as man of the match in terms of plays and quality points. However, it quickly became apparent that a third Waterford player was also very much in the running, this being midfielder Shane O’Sullivan, whose excellent distribution in finding colleagues with well directed and weighted long passes was a particular feature of the game. Ultimately, Brick Walsh shaded the play count (24 to O’Sullivan’s 23) but the roles were reversed in terms of quality points, with O’Sullivan amassing 60 to Walsh’s 57. Not far behind was Kevin Moran with 52 quality points from 20 plays.

Thus, between them, the Waterford midfielders (O’Sullivan and Moran) made 43 plays for 112 quality points compared with just 27/60 for their opposite numbers (David Burke and Andy Smith and their replacements Barry Daly and Aidan Harte).

Similarly, the Waterford half back line of Tony Browne, Brick Walsh and David O’Sullivan made 46 plays for 108 quality points compared with just 26 plays and 48 quality points for the Galway half backs (Donal Barry, Tony Óg Regan and Adrian Cullinane, and Barry’s and Cullinane’s replacements Kevin Hynes and John Lee). This is a measure of the extent of Waterford’s dominance in the key ball-winning areas of the pitch over the course of the game.

Apart from O’Sullivan, Walsh and Moran, Waterford had six other players who exceeded 30 quality points – John Mullane (45 points from 20 plays), Seamus Prendergast (38/18), Shane Walsh (37/12), Steve Molumphy (36/15), the remarkable Tony Browne (32/14) and Padraig Mahony (30/14 – showing that he is much more than just a freetaker). By contrast, Galway had only two players who broke the 30 point threshold – Joe Canning (43/17) and Shane Kavanagh (42/15) who, despite being subjected to a torrid time by Shane Walsh, still did a lot of good work (albeit some of it was done further out the field when Kavanagh was moved off Walsh in the second half).

Galway had some horror totals at the other end of the scoring spectrum. Donal Barry played the ball twice during 40 minutes on the pitch. One wonders how James Regan lasted the whole game as he only made three plays, the most significant of which was a gift of a point in the first half when Darragh Fives failed to control a short puckout which he didn’t appear to be expecting. While Ger Farragher did reasonably well in the first half when Galway were still semi-competitive, he disappeared completely from view after the change of ends, getting his first second half touch in the 62nd minute. Once again, Farragher demonstrated that, while he can be devastating when Galway are on top and supplying him with good ball, he is of little use when the going gets tough and the supply dries up.

Other features of the Galway performance were that Andy Smith didn’t play one ball during the 16 minutes he played in the second half, that Iarla Tannian managed just three ineffectual plays in the entire half, and that Cyril Donnellan amassed a very respectable 18 quality points from seven plays during his 32-minute second half stint.

So Galway go back to a drawing board that must be rutted by now with chalk marks. One imagines at this stage that it will take a Second Coming before they become serious All-Ireland contenders (and we are not talking about Joe Cooney here). Meanwhile, Waterford move on to a semi-final tilt against the Cats with nothing to lose but their increasingly weighty historical chains.

Play counts (plays/quality points)

WATERFORD (209/512): Hennessy C (3/9); Fives D (8/21); Lawlor L (9/23); Connors N (10/24); Browne T (14/32); Walsh M (24/57); O’Sullivan D (8/19); O’Sullivan S (23/60); Moran K (20/52); Prendergast S (18/38); Molumphy S (15/36); Mahony, P (14/30); Mullane J (20/45); Walsh S (12/37); Kelly E (10/25); Ryan T (1/4); Foley R, Casey S, Prendergast D (no plays).

GALWAY (144/338): Skehill J (2/5); Moore F (10/24); Kavanagh S (15/42); Collins D (6/13); Barry D (2/3); Regan T (10/18); Cullinane A (7/14); Burke D (11/21); Smith A (7/16); Gantley J (5/11); Farragher G (9/20); Canning J (7/43); Hayes D (13/29); Regan J (3/6); Donnellan C (7/18); Hynes K (4/7); Lee J (3/6); Harte A (4/10); Daly B (5/13).

Testing this quick reply issue.

All good

Shane O’Sullivan? Who knew?

Also, €5 for the program last Sunday in Thurles was a bit excessive

Yeah, bit steep alright.

Jesus it was baking warm in Thurles the last day. I was stuck sitting beside some fcuking animal from Turloughmore. He was a disgrace to his parish and county whoever the fcuk he was. If he got a fiver for each time he roared the word “cunt” he would have cleared our national debt. Some lads should never be let within a mile of their local pub.

Some of the Dubs are gas, they get fierce paranoid about being down the country and not fitting in.

It was a good read all the same Runt

Explain with use of examples

Ya, came in handy during the 2nd match.

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Losing culture is taking root

Parallel famines in hurling and football have reached crisis levels in Galway, writes John O’Brien

Sunday July 31 2011

Pete Finnerty wasn’t in much of a mood for the races last week. Maybe he’d head down towards the end of the week but the prospect of a day lost in hurling talk warned against it.
Fellas shouldering him at every turn. “What about last Sunday Pete?” “So how do we get ourselves out of this fix, Pete?” The shock and anger of the GAA public undiluted after a week’s betting and drinking. This had become the annual Ballybrit ritual: almost as insufferable as the hurling itself.
The head-scratching would have you bald in a week. Wondering why Eanna Ryan, a goalscorer against Tipperary a year ago, was left on the bench. And why the captain Damien Joyce remained idle too while Kevin Hynes and [color="#306294"]John Lee came on before him. Watching the Brick Walsh late on soloing 50 yards upfield with no Galway player in sight, dropping the ball then picking it up and continuing merrily on his way. He’s laughing as he recounts it. But there’s no humour there. Merely the blackest comedy he imagines they’ve ever seen.
He supposes he’s another veteran from the past having a cut now, but they’re beyond that surely? Beyond a joke. “If I was laying blame right now,” Finnerty says, “it’d be at the players’ door. You can talk all you like about management or the county board but when they went out in the heat of battle last week there was nothing. No fire. They were a beaten docket with 30 minutes to go. They gave up and that’s scandalous.”
Yet he would readily concede that Galway’s horrific surrender to Waterford last Sunday was symptomatic of a deeper malaise. Galway people spoke about the shock their 10-point defeat had administered, yet the pattern it followed was instantly recognisable. A bad day against Dublin followed by restorative victories against Clare and Cork and, suddenly, they felt like contenders again. How easily they were willing to paper over the cracks.
The truth is Galway’s problems are no deep-rooted mystery, requiring Poirot-like powers to unravel. They have been dissected clinically and forensically in both codes for some time now. Notably this summer by the trinity of former hurling greats: Conor Hayes, Noel Lane and Brendan Lynskey. Cyril Farrell occasionally in his newspaper columns. Ray Silke and John Divilly have been persistent critics of Galway’s football structures. Yet, if they are being listened to, no urgent response has been apparent.
Over the years Galway hurling and football have both spent time in the doldrums but to be plumbing the depths at precisely the same time seems unprecedented. Old timers will remind you that hurling was at a lower ebb in the 1960s when Galway were repeatedly mauled in [color="#306294"]Munster[/url] and that the early 70s, when the footballers lost three All-[url=“http://searchtopics.independent.ie/topic/Ireland”][color="#306294"]Ireland finals, was no joke either. They were at least winning provincial titles and being competitive, though. No one should confuse heartbreak with disillusionment.
Within Galway there has been no kneejerk reaction to link both plights. “They’re two different families,” reasons Finnerty. “They don’t really collide at any stage.” But while that division is finely drawn between the hurling south and football north and dual players almost as rare as All-Irelands, it is that division, perhaps, that blinds them to the obvious parallels between the two codes.
Finnerty can readily diagnose the hurling disease. This year he is coach of his home club, Mullagh, but can’t see himself involved in 12 months time. “Not a feckin’ hope,” he says. It isn’t because he lacks personal ambition or has fallen out of love with his club, but because of a club structure that, in his eyes, has effectively brought Galway hurling into disrepute.
Mullagh began senior training back in February. The county final, if they don’t perish through inactivity in the meantime, will likely take place in November. It is 12 weeks since they played their last championship game. They hope to play their next round on August 27 but there are no guarantees. If the Gal
way minors or under 21s or – get this – their intermediates manage to stay alive in their respective championships, then the games will likely be put back to September. Such is the prevailing lunacy.
“How can you keep fellas going for 11 months if you can’t get them games?” Finnerty asks. “We have a system where three teams qualify from groups of five. Win one game and you qualify for the quarter-final. A while back it was four out of five but they changed it to three. The championship doesn’t start until September or October. So we’re really doing our pre-season training now. In July! That’s a joke.”
A few years ago Finnerty remembers standing in a room listening to Brian Cody explain how there were no conflicts within the various strands of Kilkenny hurling. “No us and them,” Cody said. “No us and the club. No us and the county board.” Everybody was pulling together for the good of hurling as a whole. How they could manage it while chaos prevailed in Galway was a lesson no one seemed willing to absorb.
Galway have a fine history of producing great club teams, but recent trends suggest caution. Last November, Clarinbridge beat Loughrea in the county final and, intriguingly, neither side had numbered a county player between them at the time. And that, perhaps, was an advantage they exploited. “I’m not knocking them,” says Finnerty, “but it probably helped that they didn’t have that distraction. They were able to prepare better than other teams.”
This isn’t just a hurling issue. Finnerty bumped into a Corofin player on the golf course a while back and heard him complain bitterly that they had played one championship game in nine months. They spoke too about Craughwell winning the under 14 FĂ©ile football title this year with Clarinbridge a close second. What was the story here? Hurling clubs making admirable progress in an unfamiliar code or traditional football powers taking a step backwards. Hard to be certain either way.
What seems clear is that Galway is beset by a losing culture that is endemic and too easily accepted. “People will be down my throat now,” Conor Hayes anticipated when he voiced some strident opinions in the Irish Independent last month but, strangely, that’s not exactly how it transpired. “A lot of the time people didn’t really react at all,” Hayes reflects now. “Maybe they figured we were pretty much correct or they were just hoping things would improve and we’d be proved wrong. I don’t know.”
That silence is revealing. Because deep down they know that Hayes – no less than Lynskey or Lane – cares deeply about Galway hurling and that what they said had a watertight basis in truth. After Dublin, Galway fell too willingly into the trap of writing the day off as a blip and into believing they had turned a corner with success over Clare and Cork. Even a victory last weekend, Hayes believes, would merely have masked the chronic problems they seem reluctant or unable to address.
“Like, you’d want to see them really knuckle down this week. Players, managers, officials. Asking themselves where did we go wrong this year. But will it happen? We’ve a good minor team this year, decent under 21s, so we’ll look at them and gloss over it again. Will the players look at themselves and ask the hard questions? Am I doing enough for the team? Am I good enough to keep my place? I don’t see much of it yet anyway.”
The culture for deep introspection simply doesn’t exist in Galway. The old stagers will take you back to 1986. Galway had lost the Centenary semi-final to Offaly by 14 points and then fallen short in the next two All-Ireland finals to Offaly again and Cork. After the latter defeat Farrell had gathered his troops around him and warned them that the losing culture had to end. With the present set-up, they see no similar sense of urgency.
And while the players must accept their share of the blame, the lack of leadership shown at the top is a major contributing factor. On Friday, we learned that Tomás ó Flatharta will meet county board officials to discuss his future “over the next week or so”, nearly a month after a dismal summer ended with defeat against Meath. John McIntyre was treated with a clemency by the hurling board – “there is nothing planned at this stage” – that was even denied him by the newspaper he edits.
The “softness” Hayes has long identified in Galway hurling is a by-product of a malfunctioning county structure. This year’s minors, for example, have already routed poor Antrim and need just to negotiate an admittedly strong-looking Clare to reach an All-Ireland final. Not half enough of a test. There has been renewed talk about entering the [color="#306294"]Leinster underage championships but why they aren’t beating on the door of the Leinster Council offices in Portlaoise, pleading for inclusion from next summer remains a mystery.
While success at underage level is always welcome, in Galway it comes attached with an asterisk that applies in few other places. We know the drill now. Galway produce a fine set of minors or under 21s and there is an instant drive to promote half of them into the senior set-up where they will be bubble-wrapped and told to focus exclusively on the first week of September, the pressure ratcheting up to obscene proportions year by year.
Galway urgently need radical and imaginative solutions, but the structures aren’t in place to find them. With a county board supposedly overseeing two subsidiary boards administering football and hurling, they are beset by an unwieldy process where too little gets done. They don’t see an inspired figure at the top – like, say, a Ned Quinn in Kilkenny – willing to accept responsibility and make the necessary tough decisions that can get everyone pulling in the same direction.
“It’s hard to do anything with three boards,” says one Galway official. “We need a good strong CEO. It’s dysfunctional. We’re being told in Galway for several years that they’ll appoint our first ever full-time official. We’re the second biggest county in Ireland, a dual county, and we don’t have a full-time secretary yet. It’s always happening soon. We have decent people involved but the task is too great for them.”
It is what most alarms those who speak out. They know what Galway needs: someone with strength and vision to start steering them in the right direction. Instead they suspect the quick-fix option will prevail again next year. The forlorn hope that this will be their year. Another good crop of minors and under 21s filtering through. A dash of genius from Joe Canning or Michael Meehan to set them on their way. The painful lessons of last summer unabsorbed and already forgotten.

Not just inept, having looked at it again, they looked like a dirty team, full of nasty little strokes, most totally unnecessary. Another ref on the day would have had a field day with cards with them. Points to a side whose management has no control over them. Canning was actually the one bright light they had. Can’t think of a time I’ve seen a Galway team lie down so hopelessly.

How many wides did Waterford have? 20? Galway were lucky it wasn’t a 20 point+ drubbing.

Thats a good article Puke, I’d say you could fairly handily cut and paste it for a few counties.

Eugene Cloonan

Will Waterford be able to put it up to kilkenny for 50 - 60 minutes?

If they can break even with Rice and Fennelly in the middle of the field they might have a chance. Kilkenny’s intensity in the Leinster Final was awesome though, and they have always improved as the season has gone on. If the Leinster Final wasn’t a one-off then Waterford will have to uncover new reserves of aggression and energy to live with them.

If you were Cody you would nearly hope that Waterford would be rightly up for it and give them a good test and win pulling away with ten minutes left like the wins against Clare in 2006, Galway in 2007 and the Waterford match in 2009, they would have a month then to the A/I, a facile victory may well paper over cracks that could well be found out in Spetember, especially in the full backline

As a unit they’re probably capable of stress testing Kilkenny alright. Most of their big men seemed to have plenty in the legs against Galway and they should have the conditioning for a sustained assault. Kilkenny will go man to man and direct and will give them every chance of getting into the game if they are good enough. Even if they produce the intensity though, there are holes in the Waterford team that you feel Kilkenny, above anyone, will exploit. The full-backline is the blatantly obvious one and if they aren’t up to scratch there it’s hard to see it mattering what they do elsewhere. In the half-forward they’re reliant on an over the hill Seamus Prendergast turning back the clock as he did against Galway and providing them with a reliable outlet for puck-outs against the best aerial outfit in the game. Anything is possible but it just seems like Waterford aren’t ready for a performance of the magnitude required. Too many inexperienced players who are nowhere near their prime, and a lack of flair upfront. Kilkenny will have to be flat you’d think and that’s not like them.

Probably a game too far for us, but we shpuld cover the -7 handicap.

Kilkenny are not as good a mpst think they are, we are not as bad, however the Galway form line is far from reliable.

We will give it i right lashon Sunday and if we are close with 10 to go we could worry them, however I just think we will be beat by 3-4 points.

Kilkenny will burn them in the 1st quarter and keep them at arms length for the rest of the game.