29 murdered still the final count afaik.
The Waterford keeper. :lol:
Quality goal by Goulding though. 
The provincial championships are a farce and show the Irish up for the simpletons that we are. The notion that winning 2 matches could win a championship and lead to a scenario whereby cows could go unmilked for weeks is ridiculous.
ooh, classy
I said this to you years ago. Stop stealing my lines.
Touch a nerve?
good point mate but its just the muldooligans that are into bogball
+1, 6 teams in 2 groups, 9 in another and 12 in Leinster. The brainchild of a simpleton.
Eh, Mr Totti asked for an update from an Ulster Championship match and you made a cheap jibe about the biggest single atrocity during the troubles.
Classy.
this is an organisation that banned foreign forms of dancing up to quite recently-innovation isnt their strentgh
what makes a jibe cheap? having a pop at the apologists for undiluted fascists such as totty and yourself is surely fair game?
Again, Mr Totti was looking for a football result, which you thought was an oppurtune moment to have a cheap laugh at the expense of the Omagh dead. And what makes me a fascist?
Scumbag.
FACT.
And mine.
Jesus you have a hard time understanding history.
Banning offence.
Lads how do you watch RTE player if you are in Australia, i heard there is a way around it?
Thanks for any help. Setanta went on the blink.
There are brief highlights on You Tube Kev
Wasnât laughing at any dead people. Having a pop at the apologists of undiluted fascism as John Hume put it. I might be wrong but I think you have defended the actions of the anti GFA brigade in the past as has certainly the poster who posed the question.
I have drink on me, but I think I can probably articulate it better this way. In all seriousness, hereâs what I think was justified:
The formation of the Provisional IRA in 1969/70, due to the burning of Catholics (the conflict was sectarian as far as Unionists were concerned, not as far as Catholic/Nationalists were concerned, sectarianism has generally been a one way street in BOI) out of their homes and the total impotence of the Official IRA in defending their community. The Short Strand Riots of June 1970 brought this to a head. The âwarâ escalated in increments.
After internment in January 1971, the British Army and the British state effectively declared war against the Catholic/Nationalist community, reinforcing the already existing apartheid against the Catholic/Nationalist community.
Bloody Sunday heightened the conflict to a new level - after that there was no doubt that the British state was at war against the Catholic/Nationalist community. If you are under siege, you fight back. This is the same reason why, say Hamas or Hizbollah exist. Fighting back in these circumstances is entirely legitimate.
With the obvious collusion between the RUC/B Specials/UVF/UDA/UFF etc it became even more clear that the Catholic/Nationalist community was the victim of a sectarian war. It is entirely understandable that members of the âCrown Forcesâ became targets n these circumstances.
What is not acceptable is sectarian killings. Tragically this did occur and it is arguable that the PIRA/other groupings such as the INLA etc to some extent became a magnet for scumbags eg Seamus Twomey who was behind the Kingsmills massacre which was sectarian. There were other atrocities such as this eg Darkley and La Mon, Enniskillen etc. These are to be unreservedly condemned. In my view the PIRA campaign lost its focus and lost its way as the years went on. This does not make the aim of the struggle and the actions of the majority of the volunteers anything less than entirely justified. The actions of the hunger strikers remain unimpeachable.
Crown forces remained legitimate targets through the troubles as far as Iâm concerned. While I have sympathy for the British soldiers who were caught up in the war, they represented an imperial colonial oppressing force, because letâs face it - thatâs what the six counties is - an imperial colony. I have total sympathy for 18/19 year old lads who were involved in something they did no understand at all.
Context is key. The Catholic/Nationalist community for many years was brutalised and subject to an apartheid regime. Like anywhere in the world, they decided theyâd had enough. Iâd emphasise the words apartheid and brutalised again, just to ram the point home.
"John F. Kennedy had a good quote - âThose who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.â This is entrely applicable to the North of Ireland.
As for Omagh - if you think I supported something like that, well, I donât know what to say mate. Even the bombers admit that they made a horrendous mistake. The whole thing was the most tragic mistake in the modern history of Ireland and it still disturbs me, as does Warrington etc, and I can still remember exactly what I was doing and where I was when I heard about it - I was out for a drive in Kinvara with my parents and my brother. I saw Mick Grimes who had his wife, daughter and grandchild killed at Omagh on Gay Byrneâs last Late Late Show and Iâm not ashamed to say I cried uncontrollably. In 2002 we went to Omagh on the fourth anniversary of the bomb and visited the memorial garden and Iâm not ashamed to say I cried then either.
By the way I didnât agree at all with the blowing up of Ronan Kerr - I donât believe he should have joined the PSNI but thatâs a whole different debate.
Iâd just prefer if you didnât make what I see as a cheap joke about Omagh.
You know jack shit so.
good post. dont really get the whole, you made a joke about Omagh thing though. It wasnt a joke or meant to be funny.
Would agree certainly about the nationalist community having the right to defend itself and after Bloody Sunday, the British army declared war on a section of its citizens. You wont see me shedding tears about member of the British Army or any of their armed forces being killed. Killing RUC and prison officers possibly jusifiable. Loyalist paras fair game for sure aswell. Id actually agree with most of what you said but would argue that the aim of the PIRA went from initially defending its people to bombing the unionists into a 32 county state pretty quickly.
But 600+ civilians murdered is not defensible. There was far more pyschopaths that Twomey who dressed up in a green beret and killed people based on their religion or who didnt agree with their warped view of the world. There still is. Paedos were protected as were criminals and criminal activity all in the name of a 32 county republic. Some of those protectors are now sitting in Dail Eireann. I think that should be acknowledged particularly when people come on glorifying the RA. Not sure why you dont want a police force that represents their entire population of Norn Iron but its neither here nor there.
Not sure how this will find out who will win the football this year but a good post nonetheless.