[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 1039159, member: 1”]They’ve gone for:
Red faced republicans tried to discredit the outcome of the opinion poll before knowing the results and had to backtrack furiously.[/QUOTE]
Genuinely?
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1039163, member: 2272”]Poll would mean FF, FG and SF all mid 40s seats wise , independents with about 3o seats and labour probably 5 seats.
If SF get close to power as a majority partner a lot of capital is going to leave Ireland. I would be nervous of leaving chunky money in bank accounts as a sitting duck in case of a bank bail in by SF in the form of a “once off” bank account levy.[/QUOTE]
There’s a real danger that if they ever elect a left wing or centre left government that while Ireland could become a more equal society and that improvements would inevitably be made to physical health[/URL], [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_health’]mental health[/URL], [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_abuse’]drug abuse[/URL], [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprisonment’]imprisonment[/URL], [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity’]obesity[/URL] and [URL=‘http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility’]social mobility it wouldn’t be worth it as IBEC and the odd multinational might have a tantrum.
Rattled.
How so? For trying to work out what actually is driving poll changes? Do you think it’s water, M. Cahill issue or something else?
Not hard to believe of any political party that tbf
[QUOTE=“TreatyStones, post: 1039155, member: 1786”]The indo have two opinion pieces this morning trying to big up Martin. Comparing him to Jack Lynch 
Also praising how he had “quietened sinn fein” this week[/QUOTE]
presume you saw these pages lying open in a relative’s house or like me managed to stand next to it in the queue for the till in Topaz whilst buying a bag of sausage rolls en route to training.
TFK.com has been royally mugged off by the Sindo, the advertising given to it here is top class
Noel Whelan noting that “Fine Gael’s vote is down a turd” on The Week In Politics.
But that still leaves all the other turds that will still vote for them.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1039163, member: 2272”]Poll would mean FF, FG and SF all mid 40s seats wise , independents with about 3o seats and labour probably 5 seats.
If SF get close to power as a majority partner a lot of capital is going to leave Ireland. I would be nervous of leaving chunky money in bank accounts as a sitting duck in case of a bank bail in by SF in the form of a “once off” bank account levy.[/QUOTE]
Well that’s just ridiculous nonsense. You think SF want to go after deposit holders?
I don’t know. You don’t know. Uncertainty means people will move to protect themselves.
SF advocate a wealth tax. Bank deposits would fall within a wealth tax. Thresholds are details.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1039237, member: 2272”]I don’t know. You don’t know. Uncertainty means people will move to protect themselves.
SF advocate a wealth tax. Bank deposits would fall within a wealth tax. Thresholds are details.[/QUOTE]
But bank deposits are only one tiny component of most people’s wealth. Their proposal is to tax 1% on assets over €1m. That’s not going to involve much in the way of deposits. There is no distinction between Irish and offshore assets. I don’t know where you’re inventing the uncertainty from. It’s not that novel a concept.
[QUOTE=“mickee321, post: 1039184, member: 367”]presume you saw these pages lying open in a relative’s house or like me managed to stand next to it in the queue for the till in Topaz whilst buying a bag of sausage rolls en route to training.
TFK.com has been royally mugged off by the Sindo, the advertising given to it here is top class[/QUOTE]
I read it for free as there App gives access to pretty much the whole paper.
:mad:
Clearly hes spending too much time in tipp
Ah get fucked. It’s Sunday.
It’s a slippery slope you’re on, pal.
It’s ridiculous nonsense alright. What will happen is that SF when they eventually get into power will become as beholden to big business as the rest of them and will disappoint their supporters as much as any other party.
That’s the crux of the whole matter. That’s why the main parties have to go after Sinn Fein on the basis of ludicrous stories like this latest one.
They can’t actually differentiate themselves from Sinn Fein on the basis of policy, at least not in a way that’s significant or substantial. So all they can do is keep banging on about how they’re proven and dependable, and how Sinn Fein are a potentially dangerous unknown quantity. Unfortunately for them, that trick is so played out that two weeks of relentless smearing has led to a boost in the polls for Sinn Fein.
If any of these cunts had an ounce of vision, originality, or leadership they could distinguish themselves from the rest of the pack relatively easily. But the current Taoiseach can’t even appear on his own on a live TV debate. They are an utterly worthless group of individuals who are probably delighted to have policy being dictated to them by external parties. God help them if the day ever came where they had to think for themselves.
My point is simply that if SF get close to power capital will leave Ireland followed by brain drain of high earners. It has happened in France. Most countries who had wealth taxes got rid of them as they damaged economic activity.
Thresholds are details and thresholds can fall substantially when they decide they need to raise money. They predict raising 800m from it.
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2012/WealthTaxDocument.pdf
A hard left SF government will cause a capital flight from Ireland until people see what they actually are capable of.
[QUOTE=“TheUlteriorMotive, post: 1039384, member: 2272”]My point is simply that if SF get close to power capital will leave Ireland followed by brain drain of high earners. It has happened in France. Most countries who had wealth taxes got rid of them as they damaged economic activity.
Thresholds are details and thresholds can fall substantially when they decide they need to raise money. They predict raising 800m from it.
http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2012/WealthTaxDocument.pdf
A hard left SF government will cause a capital flight from Ireland until people see what they actually are capable of.[/QUOTE]
France had a capital flight because they didn’t tax global assets, just assets based in France. Sinn Féin’s proposal is different.
Switzerland hasn’t exactly suffered from money leaving its shores despite their wealth taxes. But that doesn’t suit your argument so you chose France instead and extrapolated their experience into a norm and drew a general conclusion. There is nothing inherently dangerous about a wealth tax. Like every other tax (including water for example) they can be badly implemented or well implemented.
[QUOTE=“Rocko, post: 1039443, member: 1”]France had a capital flight because they didn’t tax global assets, just assets based in France. Sinn Féin’s proposal is different.
Switzerland hasn’t exactly suffered from money leaving its shores despite their wealth taxes. But that doesn’t suit your argument so you chose France instead and extrapolated their experience into a norm and drew a general conclusion. There is nothing inherently dangerous about a wealth tax. Like every other tax (including water for example) they can be badly implemented or well implemented.[/QUOTE]
If global then people will just move tax residence. You get a brain drain. Happened in Sweden too. Destroys entrepreneurship. Much lower self employment rates in countries with wealth tax.
Anyway my point wasn’t about merits or otherwise of wealth tax but the likely result of SF coming to power is people with money being nervous and taking steps to protect that at least for a period until it becomes clear if SF intend on going down the Hugo Chavez road.