:rolleyes:
Jesus fucking Christ
Fucking Jesus.
[quote=âdodgy-keeper, post: 904008, member: 1552â]First Alan Quinlan, now this Corkery chap. Munster rugby football will do that to you.
In fairness the suicide epidemic is out of control in this country. Iâd be in favour of people not brushing mental illness and depression under the carpet (even if I am dubious about certain people coming out with their plight as they seek to build a profile in the media)
I know this is off tangent with this thread but I worked with a lad a few years back, sound guy. He was always off work though, combination of stress and depression. Went through a phase where he would be off for months at a time etc. He was totally open about the thing and I always respected him for that. The reaction of people in the office to him was unreal though - half had the same view of it as myself âitâs an awful illness, hope he can get through it.â However the other half were horrible cunts behind his back ânothing wrong with him, only looking for time off etc.â I just think the latter was an appalling way to treat someone and itâs no wonder people are reluctant to discuss stuff like that for fear of being seen as âweakâ.[/quote]
I take it youâre a public servant, people in proper jobs would be sacked for such a low level of productivity and rightly so. They canât afford to be depressed.
Yeah in a lot of private sector jobs where a person has any level of responsibility then any sign of mental illness and it is only a matter of time before the person is managed out with âmaximum sensitivityâ as they are regarded as a liability.
[quote=âMark Renton, post: 911878, member: 1796â]Clare hurling manager Davy Fitzgerald has opened up about how he was severely bullied when he was a child.
The All-Ireland winning manager â who addressed hundreds of students at a mental and physical health seminar at Limerick Institute of Technology yesterday â encouraged them to have dreams and goals and to avoid the pitfalls of alcohol and drugs.
He also revealed how some Clare hurlers were taking illicit drugs before he and his backroom team weeded out the problem when Mr Fitzgerald became manager in 2011.
In a inspirational speech, the former Clare goalkeeper gave a remarkably frank account of how sport saved his life when he was the victim of bullies while he attended secondary school in Clare.
âAt an early age I had a dream. I believe you should have dreams and you should have goals, no matter what your story is. It doesnât matter whether itâs sport or if itâs a profession that you want. My dream from about four or five years of age was to play in goal for Clare. I didnât care about anything else. That was my focus. That was my goal. It was one of the biggest things Iâve ever had in my life; having that goal in front of me and having that belief that I wanted to do something,â the former three-time GAA All Star told students.
âI got bullied badly when I was in secondary school. It was probably the toughest time in my life. I used to dread getting up in the mornings and going out on the bus, absolutely dread it. I used to sit on the second seat from the front nearly all the time. There was seven or eight guys who used to be laughing at me.
âTheyâd hit me on the back of the head. They would pull my hair. They put egg on my head. They would pull me back to the back seat â the bus driver wouldnât know anything about it â theyâd open my shirt and start painting on my body. I got my shoes thrown out the bus window. I felt absolutely so low and I tried to figure out what this was all about.
âI went home with a black eye and bruised ribs. I never told my mam or dad anything. To this day, I donât understand bullying. I cannot understand how people are so insensitive. I cannot understand how you would single someone out and do that. It just doesnât make sense.â
Addressing anyone involved in bullying, the manager â who last year brought Clare to All-Ireland victory after a 16-year gap â said: âItâs something I cannot tolerate. If you ever have done something like that, just look within yourself and say: âListen, Iâm not going there again and Iâm not going to make someone feel like that again.â None of us are perfect. Trust me, I have a lot of things that I make mistakes on. Iâm not perfect but I will try to be the best person and not make you feel bad.
Iâve often looked at smart arses that think they know it all. To me, I go through them for shortcut, if I see someone make fun of someone, because youâre not as smart as you let on, youâre not as tough as you let on.
âDid they (bullies) make me stronger? They did, without any shadow of a doubt. People often ask me why I have an attitude on the sideline. I have an attitude because I wonât let anyone walk down on top of me. 100 per cent not.â
Mr Fitzgerald, who won two All-Ireland medals as a Clare player, said sport was the âone thing that kept me going through the bullyingâ.
âIâll be honest about it, when I was feeling low. I just kept thinking, I have a dream. I used to get my hurley and go out and play hurling. I used to do something I love straight away. I would encourage anyone that comes across being made feel that low, go to that place where you know that you have something you love doing.â
He said he was proud of the Clare hurlers for effectively giving up drink in order to win an All-Ireland last year. He told the gathering they did not need alcohol and drugs to feel better about themselves or to succeed in life.
He also revealed when he became Clare manager he was aware players were drinking alcohol and taking drugs. âWe brought in a code of discipline. From the mid-2000s, in Clare, my feeling was that Clare was a social team. I know some of them were even taking harder stuff than drink. I couldnât understand this. To me I play to win, and if you are doing stuff like that, youâre wasting your time.â
He said he and the team rooted out the problem during a three-hour meeting after he became manager. âI questioned them and I said do we really need alcohol and do you need to take substances that will make you feel better. We teased it out, we spent three hours out in Bunratty teasing it out. We decided we were going to stand up and draw a line under it and say: âNo.â We decided we were going to come to training and enjoy ourselves and were going to communicate with each other. We want to enjoy what we do.â
However, he also told the students sport could deliver deep lows as well as massive highs. He described how he collapsed with grief when his team Waterford were thrashed by Kilkenny in the 2008 All-Ireland hurling final.
âThere are 85,000 people there. Iâm on the sideline. Weâre getting beaten 30 points by Kilkenny, absolutely hammering us. You canât (hide) any place. Iâll never forget coming up to the dressingroom afterwards, the boys were gone. I actually fell to my knees. My dad and my best friend Liam were there. I just fell down. I balled out crying. I was in a bad way after it. I couldnât believe, that, one minute I was up so high and the next minute I was down (so low).
He also revealed how he was assaulted by Waterford supporters when the team came off the back of another severe beating at the hands of Tipperary in 2011. âI remember getting hit by two or three supporters after a game. We lost 7-21 to 21 points to Tipperary. A few of the Waterford supporters hit me on the way in (to the dressingroom) and they tried to get in the dressingroom door. It was my fault the team played badly.
âIn sport there will be ups and downs in a big way. While last year was unbelievable for me, I never forget what it was like to be low, and there is low points you have to deal with. â
He told the students that exercise âsharpens the mindâ and alcohol sends you âdown a road of unhappinessâ.
Reiterating his advice to those gathered before him to have dreams and goals and hobbies âand funâ he added: âIâll give you an example of a dream I had, to win the long puck (competition) in Ireland. It took me nine years to win it. I used to come home every year and my dad would say to me, âWell, howâd you get onâ, and Iâd say, âI didnât get thereâ. I remember that, after the sixth year he said, âWell, are you ever going to do it?â, and I said: âIâll get there, Iâll get there.â
âAfter the ninth year when I did (win) it. JesusâŠwhat a feeling! The message Iâm trying to give to you is, it pays to be persistent. Itâs like my dream with Clare last year. Everyone said for four or five years that Kilkenny would be unbeatable. In my head I kept saying, and in every interview I did, âtheyâre time is coming to an end â we will get thereâ.â[/quote]
I thought this thread was more appropriate for this blather.
Here is another story of a young GAA player been revealed as suffering from depression.
The Dublin County Board last night released a statement saying that under-21 and senior footballer Shane Carthy was being treated for depression.
Carthy was man-of-the-match in the under-21 Leinster final but didnât feature in their semi-final victory over Cavan.
The All-Ireland under-21 football final takes place tomorrow with Dublin up against Roscommon in Tullamore.
Dublin County Board chief executive John Costello, said: âThe Dublin County Board, the Dublin senior and U21 football management teams would like to report that senior and U21 footballer Shane Carthy is currently receiving treatment for depression.
âWe are satisfied that Shane is receiving all the necessary support and are happy to report that he is making progress with his illness.
âWe would ask all units of the media and indeed the wider GAA family to support Shane and his family on this matter and to respect their privacy.
âWe would directly appeal to reporters not to contact the family or family friends. Shane is a 19-year-old dealing with a serious problem and we are confident that his and his familyâs wishes will be respected.
âWe would like to thank both football management teams and panels and the Naomh MearnĂłg club for their support for Shane during this difficult time.
âOver the past few years the media and GAA players have been to the forefront in helping to promote positive messages about mental health and this is to be very much welcomed and supported.â
While it is great to see that the real reason for his difficulty is being revealed and not hidden, I do wonder about the description of depression as an âillnessâ. Majella OâDonnell was in the papers recently describing her chemo treatment as âa doddle compared to depressionâ. Again this is protraying depression as a disease which is contracted.
I do fully accept that in some people it is a case of chemical imbalance but in my view it has to be combined with some life events. Our emotional being is far too complex to simply categorise feeling down as being an illness which can be âcuredâ with pills. Such categorisation only serves to remove ownership of recovery from the victim and place in in the lap of the Gods like any other âphysical illnessâ. This is not the way to go in my view.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939580, member: 24â]Here is another story of a young GAA player been revealed as suffering from depression.
While it is great to see that the real reason for his difficulty is being revealed and not hidden, I do wonder about the description of depression as an âillnessâ. Majella OâDonnell was in the papers recently describing her chemo treatment as âa doddle compared to depressionâ. Again this is protraying depression as a disease which is contracted.
I do fully accept that in some people it is a case of chemical imbalance but in my view it has to be combined with some life events. Our emotional being is far too complex to simply categorise feeling down as being an illness which can be âcuredâ with pills. Such categorisation only serves to remove ownership of recovery from the victim and place in in the lap of the Gods like any other âphysical illnessâ. This is not the way to go in my view.[/QUOTE]
I think of depression as a long term illness that can be managed. Similarly there are long term physical illnesses that cant be âcuredâ but simply managed.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939580, member: 24â]Here is another story of a young GAA player been revealed as suffering from depression.
While it is great to see that the real reason for his difficulty is being revealed and not hidden, I do wonder about the description of depression as an âillnessâ. Majella OâDonnell was in the papers recently describing her chemo treatment as âa doddle compared to depressionâ. Again this is protraying depression as a disease which is contracted.
I do fully accept that in some people it is a case of chemical imbalance but in my view it has to be combined with some life events. Our emotional being is far too complex to simply categorise feeling down as being an illness which can be âcuredâ with pills. Such categorisation only serves to remove ownership of recovery from the victim and place in in the lap of the Gods like any other âphysical illnessâ. This is not the way to go in my view.[/QUOTE]
Similar to what has happened with children where every issue is medicalised - growth of ADHD diagnosis in the US A is staggering. there is also the increase in diagnosis of autism, dyslexia etc
No doubt some of it is awareness but my sense is that when a kid is not fast at running or good at football we donât medicalise them as physically challenged but in intellectual ability we do it
Also a sense that if things are not working out for somebody then blame some external illness they have no control over and that has causes all of these issues
In the old days you heard of people âsuffering with their nervesâ which covered a multitude of things, often alcoholism, homosexuality, and perhaps being mentally fragile because of a life event. I am not convinced everybody mentioned has suffering with depression is necessarily depressed but it covers other issues that are less acceptable to disclose.
Agree 100% on the âmanaging and not curingâ piece.
But I donât think depression should be completely linked to a physical illness - because it is not. It is a mental illness (albeit with possibly some degree of physicalness in there).
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 939586, member: 2272â]Similar to what has happened with children where every issue is medicalised - growth of ADHD diagnosis in the US A is staggering. there is also the increase in diagnosis of autism, dyslexia etc
No doubt some of it is awareness but my sense is that when a kid is not fast at running or good at football we donât medicalise them as physically challenged but in intellectual ability we do it
Also a sense that if things are not working out for somebody then blame some external illness they have no control over and that has causes all of these issues
In the old days you heard of people âsuffering with their nervesâ which covered a multitude of things, often alcoholism, homosexuality, and perhaps being mentally fragile because of a life event. I am not convinced everybody mentioned has suffering with depression is necessarily depressed but it covers other issues that are less acceptable to disclose.[/QUOTE]
Great post.
Some people do âsuffer with their nervesâ though. As in they are born as an anxious person, and in some cases with a psycothic illness usually passed down through the genes. To that extent they are suffering from something physical in that life events arenât the primary cause for their discomfort.
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 939586, member: 2272â]Similar to what has happened with children where every issue is medicalised - growth of ADHD diagnosis in the US A is staggering. there is also the increase in diagnosis of autism, dyslexia etc
No doubt some of it is awareness but my sense is that when a kid is not fast at running or good at football we donât medicalise them as physically challenged but in intellectual ability we do it
Also a sense that if things are not working out for somebody then blame some external illness they have no control over and that has causes all of these issues
In the old days you heard of people âsuffering with their nervesâ which covered a multitude of things, often alcoholism, homosexuality, and perhaps being mentally fragile because of a life event. I am not convinced everybody mentioned has suffering with depression is necessarily depressed but it covers other issues that are less acceptable to disclose.[/QUOTE]
Great post.
Some people do âsuffer with their nervesâ though. As in they are born as an anxious person, and in some cases with a psycothic illness usually passed down through the genes. To that extent they are suffering from something physical in that life events arenât the primary cause for their discomfort.
Great post.
Some people do âsuffer with their nervesâ though. As in they are born as an anxious person, and in some cases with a psycothic illness usually passed down through the genes. To that extent they are suffering from something physical in that life events arenât the primary cause for their discomfort.[/QUOTE]
I donât see anxiety getting as much coverage as depression⊠and talk to any person who works in the area of mental illness treatment and they will tell you that anxiety is just as common an issue as depression and equally as debilitating.
There is a huge spectrum of anxiety. I have a close friend whose anxiety manifests itself in OCD⊠absolute crazy stuff. At the height of it a few years ago he had over 100 GP visits in a 12 month period. Absolutely convinced he was getting MS. Jumping from doctor to doctor, went to London even to get a 50th opinion. He got cbt treatment and takes daily meds and got his life back on track and is now married and has managed to keep his career going.
[QUOTE=âKinvaraâs Passion, post: 939635, member: 686â]I donât see anxiety getting as much coverage as depression⊠and talk to any person who works in the area of mental illness treatment and they will tell you that anxiety is just as common an issue as depression and equally as debilitating.
There is a huge spectrum of anxiety. I have a close friend whose anxiety manifests itself in OCD⊠absolute crazy stuff. At the height of it a few years ago he had over 100 GP visits in a 12 month period. Absolutely convinced he was getting MS. Jumping from doctor to doctor, went to London even to get a 50th opinion. He got cbt treatment and takes daily meds and got his life back on track and is now married and has managed to keep his career going.[/QUOTE]
I think depression and anxiety are grouped together a lot under âdepressionâ.
OCD is a horrendous thing. I know of a girl who suffers from it. She would drive back the same road she travelled so as to be sure that she didnât knock anyone down. Then she would stop driving because she was so afraid that she would kill someone.
[QUOTE=âfarmerinthecity, post: 939642, member: 24â]I think depression and anxiety are grouped together a lot under âdepressionâ.
OCD is a horrendous thing. I know of a girl who suffers from it. She would drive back the same road she travelled so as to be sure that she didnât knock anyone down. Then she would stop driving because she was so afraid that she would kill someone.[/QUOTE]
Oh my jesus!
I lived with a girl for a while who suffered with this. She came home one evening and asked me to sit in with her and she was in a bit of a panic. So I did⊠she wasnât in the house long so I knew nothing of her condition. She worked only a mile away and she drove back along asking me to check the side of the road to see if she had knocked anyone down. So got out a few times and had a look aroundâŠ
This happened again the following week. Same routine.
The week after her mother arrived at the house and she moved out and we never saw her again.
Depression isnât a joke either!
[QUOTE=âTheUlteriorMotive, post: 939586, member: 2272â]Similar to what has happened with children where every issue is medicalised - growth of ADHD diagnosis in the US A is staggering. there is also the increase in diagnosis of autism, dyslexia etc
No doubt some of it is awareness but my sense is that when a kid is not fast at running or good at football we donât medicalise them as physically challenged but in intellectual ability we do it
Also a sense that if things are not working out for somebody then blame some external illness they have no control over and that has causes all of these issues
In the old days you heard of people âsuffering with their nervesâ which covered a multitude of things, often alcoholism, homosexuality, and perhaps being mentally fragile because of a life event. I am not convinced everybody mentioned has suffering with depression is necessarily depressed but it covers other issues that are less acceptable to disclose.[/QUOTE]
So, people who are depressed are gay?
Are you depressed?
Good to see you again buddy.
depressed is the opposite to gay
Do you mean âthe gayâ?
The whole place is wall to wall with depressed suicidal maniacs!