People who are beginning to give me a pain in the hole

the only bit of advice i would give anyone with a small baby is to wake them up at some point between 11 and midnight and feed them as much as they will drink.
in my experience the difference in your own of feeding at 12, 4 and 8 say as against 1 in the morning 5am and 9 is huge. with the second it feels like you have been up all night but getting into the bed by 12 feels like an interrupted nights sleep

Great thread lads.

I agree totally with those who back using formula, but only after trying breast feeding. A mother can’t help it if she dries up or whatever you want to call it, these things happen and all you can do is move onto formula.

As for goats milk, we tried it on Ben as he was small for his age and suffered from reflux. We would have tried anything at that stage. Goats milk smells like goats arse I imagine smells like and costs an arm and a leg. In the end he got over his drinking difficulties and we got him off that goats piss pronto. Mrs Locke had a neighbour in her ear who banged on about goats milk this and expensive alternatives that, bitch nearly had us at the SVdP until we saw the light.
Parenting is a natural thing. Guess what, billions have done it before and will do again into the future. It might not feel it at 4.07am when the child is roaring with trapped wind but you will get through it.

My boyfriend.

:eek: :rolleyes:

throw 3 spoons of cereal in with the milk you give the baby before they go to sleep…they will sleep straight through the night…

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Well I think so. You described your wife as holistic or said she is into it or some such thing (I’m not going back). But my understanding is that it’s a word description of an approach to something that has many different aspects to it (life, school, management, job, coaching, teaching etc). I don’t think you can call a product or a person holistic, but you could say “my wife has a holistic approach to health”.

In the Western world holistic is seen to mean alternative, but thts just because it goes against the grain a bit. It’s quite normal in many other cultures.

[quote=“mickee321, post: 886610, member: 367”]ok, my young fella just woke me
its 1am, i have absolutly no fucking clue what we are doing either and im not ashamed to admit it
he is on bottles and luckily its breast milk for now anyway,
right now we are watching a re run of west ham vs nottingham forest , 1991 cup semi final on you tube, keane is immense as is Nigel jemson, Tony Gale just got sent off.
hopefully back to bed at 2am ish
fuck you kev[/quote]

Anything to help. You have admitted you are struggling so maybe you need some helping with thinking as you’ll be so engrossed in looking after the baba.

You are still a thundering cunt though.

What’s up buddy?

I’ve a pain in me hole.

[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 886728, member: 273”]Anything to help. You have admitted you are struggling so maybe you need some helping with thinking as you’ll be so engrossed in looking after the baba.

You are still a thundering cunt though.[/quote]

:confused::smiley:
what the fuck is the halfwit on about?

[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 886727, member: 273”]Well I think so. You described your wife as holistic or said she is into it or some such thing (I’m not going back). But my understanding is that it’s a word description of an approach to something that has many different aspects to it (life, school, management, job, coaching, teaching etc). I don’t think you can call a product or a person holistic, but you could say “my wife has a holistic approach to health”.
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Maybe you should go back and read my post before you dig any further

Are you suggesting Kev should adopt a more holistic approach to reading the entirety of your posts before responding.

What you said makes sense yes, much along the lines of what I was saying above. Not sure why you are getting so uptight about it. You say you are not taking anything personally yet you seem highly offended by everything.

great thread reading over the weekend. nothing like a bit of in house fighting and discussions to keep the place ticking over!

as this seems to be the main post that sparked off the whole debate, I’d give my 2 cent worth.

Forumla, IMO, is not a lazy way out for parents. Nor can anyone make such a wide raging dispariging remark about something that they wouldnt have dealt with. Every child is different, and every child is brought up different. To me, there is no right or wrong way, and its one thing that gets me about people, whether with kids or not, telling others what to do or how to raise their kids. Most parents do everything they can to do whats right and what’s best for their child. to say that the use of formula is a lazy way out is off the mark.

In my own case, we didnt start using formula for quite a while, and even at that, not for long until the child was ready to take normal cows milk. but it wasnt due to laziness that it was used, it was due to the individual situation that we were faced with. If formula is the worst thing that we gave our child at those early months when they cant eat and are reliant on liquid nutrition, then so be it. Most medical practioners and mid wives etc dont like it either, but realise too that it might be the solution to whatever problem or issues a parent may have with their child.

As for how to bring up a child, I’d see things that other people do that I really wouldnt agree with. We’re lucky in that our little one doesnt eat junk food of any sort, and her snacks would consist of mainly fruit and other food that we would have cooked. but sometimes that wont work for others and each situation is individual. but if someone is up at 3am boiling water, steralising bottles, and mixing some formula for their one month old child who wont settle, then I’m not going to call them lazy, or think they are doing things wrong. it may be seen as a means to an end, and as I said, if forumla is the worst thing to be doing, then so be it.

Brining it right back to @Kinvara’s Passion workmate who is reading the books and getting the gizmos, I’d say even he has all the best intentions of the world in doing whats best and giving their child all the best natural foods and avoiding processed shite and what have you, but then reality sets in and you manage with what you can and just do your best and make sure you bring the child up as best that you possibly can.

I suggest you read the whole thread back along and see where the usual suspects jumped in with their misunderstanding and you followed suit.

[quote=“Gman, post: 886740, member: 112”]great thread reading over the weekend. nothing like a bit of in house fighting and discussions to keep the place ticking over!

as this seems to be the main post that sparked off the whole debate, I’d give my 2 cent worth.

Forumla, IMO, is not a lazy way out for parents. Nor can anyone make such a wide raging dispariging remark about something that they wouldnt have dealt with. Every child is different, and every child is brought up different. To me, there is no right or wrong way, and its one thing that gets me about people, whether with kids or not, telling others what to do or how to raise their kids. Most parents do everything they can to do whats right and what’s best for their child. to say that the use of formula is a lazy way out is off the mark.

In my own case, we didnt start using formula for quite a while, and even at that, not for long until the child was ready to take normal cows milk. but it wasnt due to laziness that it was used, it was due to the individual situation that we were faced with. If formula is the worst thing that we gave our child at those early months when they cant eat and are reliant on liquid nutrition, then so be it. Most medical practioners and mid wives etc dont like it either, but realise too that it might be the solution to whatever problem or issues a parent may have with their child.

As for how to bring up a child, I’d see things that other people do that I really wouldnt agree with. We’re lucky in that our little one doesnt eat junk food of any sort, and her snacks would consist of mainly fruit and other food that we would have cooked. but sometimes that wont work for others and each situation is individual. but if someone is up at 3am boiling water, steralising bottles, and mixing some formula for their one month old child who wont settle, then I’m not going to call them lazy, or think they are doing things wrong. it may be seen as a means to an end, and as I said, if forumla is the worst thing to be doing, then so be it.

Brining it right back to @Kinvara’s Passion workmate who is reading the books and getting the gizmos, I’d say even he has all the best intentions of the world in doing whats best and giving their child all the best natural foods and avoiding processed shite and what have you, but then reality sets in and you manage with what you can and just do your best and make sure you bring the child up as best that you possibly can.[/quote]
That’s a sensible post Gman but what about the cunt wearing a mobile phone holder on his belt? I suppose you are just going to conveniently ignore that?

[quote=“Gman, post: 886740, member: 112”]great thread reading over the weekend. nothing like a bit of in house fighting and discussions to keep the place ticking over!

as this seems to be the main post that sparked off the whole debate, I’d give my 2 cent worth.

Forumla, IMO, is not a lazy way out for parents. Nor can anyone make such a wide raging dispariging remark about something that they wouldnt have dealt with. Every child is different, and every child is brought up different. To me, there is no right or wrong way, and its one thing that gets me about people, whether with kids or not, telling others what to do or how to raise their kids. Most parents do everything they can to do whats right and what’s best for their child. to say that the use of formula is a lazy way out is off the mark.

In my own case, we didnt start using formula for quite a while, and even at that, not for long until the child was ready to take normal cows milk. but it wasnt due to laziness that it was used, it was due to the individual situation that we were faced with. If formula is the worst thing that we gave our child at those early months when they cant eat and are reliant on liquid nutrition, then so be it. Most medical practioners and mid wives etc dont like it either, but realise too that it might be the solution to whatever problem or issues a parent may have with their child.

As for how to bring up a child, I’d see things that other people do that I really wouldnt agree with. We’re lucky in that our little one doesnt eat junk food of any sort, and her snacks would consist of mainly fruit and other food that we would have cooked. but sometimes that wont work for others and each situation is individual. but if someone is up at 3am boiling water, steralising bottles, and mixing some formula for their one month old child who wont settle, then I’m not going to call them lazy, or think they are doing things wrong. it may be seen as a means to an end, and as I said, if forumla is the worst thing to be doing, then so be it.

Brining it right back to @Kinvara’s Passion workmate who is reading the books and getting the gizmos, I’d say even he has all the best intentions of the world in doing whats best and giving their child all the best natural foods and avoiding processed shite and what have you, but then reality sets in and you manage with what you can and just do your best and make sure you bring the child up as best that you possibly can.[/quote]

I ask, if, as you admit and agree many professionals agree (contrary to Rocko’s 99% suggestion) there are better ways, why can they not be used?

Maybe it’s this community here which is full of flat to the mat “professionals” that they don’t have the time, and that’s not a criticism, if that’s the reality then it’s the reality.

But I have seen/heard quite a few parents I’m friends with or have encountered that take a much different approach. Notwithstanding those I have actually witnessed and advice given from others. I have seen some being a disorganized mess as well of course.

Maybe it’s not laziness with some, maybe it’s just being too busy.

[quote=“caoimhaoin, post: 886744, member: 273”]I ask, if, as you admit and agree many professionals agree (contrary to Rocko’s 99% suggestion) there are better ways, why can they not be used?

Maybe it’s this community here which is full of flat to the mat “professionals” that they don’t have the time, and that’s not a criticism, if that’s the reality then it’s the reality.

But I have seen/heard quite a few parents I’m friends with or have encountered that take a much different approach. Notwithstanding those I have actually witnessed and advice given from others. I have seen some being a disorganized mess as well of course.

Maybe it’s not laziness with some, maybe it’s just being too busy.[/quote]

the better way is, and only other suggestion, breastfeeding. For all the advice and knowledge out there, the only options seemingly is either to breastfeed, or to use forumla. Now, I dont know if you are moving forward with the age bracket of the child, as you also mentioned food in the post, but formula wouldnt be used for that long in any case and in general, we are talking about babies from birth to maybe 12 months or so.

I genuinely havent heard of any alternatives to breast milk other than formula. Call me a heathen or whatever, I dont mind, but we’re all here to be educated I suppose! Goats milk is not an alternative for breast milk in a child under 6 months, and probably not even 12 months. Fennel tea is not a replacement either, more of a natural remedy for colic.

A very quick google for alternatives to breast milk gives up results as either formula, or buying other womens breast milk. I’m not sure what the other ‘better ways’ are, but wouldnt mind knowing, knowledge is power and all that and sure I could try out new things on Jnr2 when they arrive and we can do a TFK test on them!

best of ignoring cunts like that horsebox, they’d only drive you mad! lets see how he is in 6 months time after the baby has ripped the mobile holder off his trousers and chewed the life out of it and puked back its fennel tea all over his iPad baby monitoring station