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Wtf?
These deaths are okay cause those people were old & sick anyway?
If a virus came along that had the potential to wipe out, say 90% of humanity, right-wing nutcases would be telling us that the virus was a good thing on the basis that it would lead to less death - on the basis that everybody dies in the end but if 80% of the world’s population was wiped out there would be far less reproduction and therefore less people around to die in the long run.
There is no safe dose of death fetishism.
#openthepubs
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This is a “talking point” now particularly among American right-wing nut jobs. There’s a Fox News presenter called Brit Hume (who @labane1917 linked to yesterday) who is heavily pushing this “narrative”.
It’s straight out of Hitler times when the old and sick and “inconvenient” were involuntarily euthanised, ie. murdered.
The death rate in parts of Italy is six times the normal rate and you have bloodthirsty lunatics like @ironmoth telling us it’s nothing to worry about.
Calling him a sociopath would be unjustly kind.
If people revert very quickly to the patterns of behaviour of before the crisis,
the epidemiological models are correct. There would be a second wave of
infections.
But behaviour will be different, either because of the lessons people have
learned during this crisis, or because of the constraints placed upon them by
rules and regulations. How many people will shake hands the day after the
lockdown is lifted?
I stopped reading here
No, that is not what I said. I said that when an old and already sick person contracts coronavirus and dies, it is a distortion of the full facts to report that death as being due to coronavirus.
So a Nursing Home resident with a weak ticker who contacts Covid19 is not a Coronavirus death?
The “Freddie Mercury didn’t die from AIDS” excuse. 
Bang on.
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From speaking to a neighbour who has just started back work as a doctor in recent weeks, a major issue they are seeing is people presenting at hospital with ailments that should have been treated weeks ago. In many cases whatever their complaint is has progressed so badly that they are unlikely to recover, but because of the current situation they didn’t want to be taking up NHS time or were simply too frightened to go to hospital. Iv also heard of 2 cases where people in their 30s have had the final rounds of their chemotherapy cancelled, just when it looked like they were getting on top of things. However because there will be no images of these people on beds with ventilators they will largely be forgotten about. The number of deaths in the 6 months after this thing has been got under control, and the ages of people dying then, could tell a very sad tale.
16000 people in the UK die prematurely each year from the affects of air pollution, I hope none of the people demanding a lockdown at all costs drive a diesel car.
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An old person with underlying heart issues who subsequently contracts coronavirus and dies has died because they are old, have an underlying heart issue and have contracted coronavirus.
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Waffle
who are these people? epidemiologists, disease control specialists, policy makers and officials across pretty much the entire globe?
Do you not think the measures that are in place, right now are appropriate?
The ones on the opposite end of the spectrum to those who want a holocaust of the elderly
No. An inconvenient fact.
In the pre-coronavirus world, if that same nursing home resident in your example died from influenza-like illness or a severe acute respiratory illness, the death cert would probably say ‘old age’. It is only when influenza is reported as the primary cause of death by the physician that it is recorded on the death certificate as such. Coronavirus has changed all this.
Some jurisdictions have suspended normal death reporting requirements and have taken the extreme position that if coronavirus is “suspected but not confirmed”, the physician can record “presumed COVID-19 disease” on the death certificate. It’s completely distorting the numbers.
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do you agree with the measures that are in place currently?
Jaysus
Some of them. I think the minimum the country needs to achieve is an abundant supply of appropriate PPE for the health workers we have dealing with patients, until that is secured most of the current restrictions should remain.