From speaking to a neighbour who has just started back work as a doctor in recent weeks, a major issue they are seeing is people presenting at hospital with ailments that should have been treated weeks ago. In many cases whatever their complaint is has progressed so badly that they are unlikely to recover, but because of the current situation they didn’t want to be taking up NHS time or were simply too frightened to go to hospital. Iv also heard of 2 cases where people in their 30s have had the final rounds of their chemotherapy cancelled, just when it looked like they were getting on top of things. However because there will be no images of these people on beds with ventilators they will largely be forgotten about. The number of deaths in the 6 months after this thing has been got under control, and the ages of people dying then, could tell a very sad tale.
16000 people in the UK die prematurely each year from the affects of air pollution, I hope none of the people demanding a lockdown at all costs drive a diesel car.
An old person with underlying heart issues who subsequently contracts coronavirus and dies has died because they are old, have an underlying heart issue and have contracted coronavirus.
Waffle
who are these people? epidemiologists, disease control specialists, policy makers and officials across pretty much the entire globe?
Do you not think the measures that are in place, right now are appropriate?
The ones on the opposite end of the spectrum to those who want a holocaust of the elderly
No. An inconvenient fact.
In the pre-coronavirus world, if that same nursing home resident in your example died from influenza-like illness or a severe acute respiratory illness, the death cert would probably say ‘old age’. It is only when influenza is reported as the primary cause of death by the physician that it is recorded on the death certificate as such. Coronavirus has changed all this.
Some jurisdictions have suspended normal death reporting requirements and have taken the extreme position that if coronavirus is “suspected but not confirmed”, the physician can record “presumed COVID-19 disease” on the death certificate. It’s completely distorting the numbers.
do you agree with the measures that are in place currently?
Jaysus
Some of them. I think the minimum the country needs to achieve is an abundant supply of appropriate PPE for the health workers we have dealing with patients, until that is secured most of the current restrictions should remain.
which ones don’t you agree with?
There are a hell of a lot of generalisations in that post.
You are basically suggesting that because we are dealing with old people, then the actual cause of death isn’t as straightforward as just coronavirus related, as it has been painted.
But you have no evidence to suggest in how many cases such instances have occurred. Also while some old people may have underlying health issues, it doesn’t mean to say that they are going to die anyway so coronavirus shouldn’t somehow count. There is nothing to suggest that relatively healthy old people out there aren’t succumbing to this disease wiping ten years off their life.
The only rational reason I can understand why he is spouting those things is because he possibly owns a Nursing Home and is awaiting a lot of Solicitors letters.
It’s a bizarre stance to take regardless.
Poor old man
He had an ‘accident’ with a three bar fire
But that’s ok
Cos he was old and he would have died anyway
Nice try, but that’s a logical fallacy. If you are too dim to see the rationale in what I posted (and it is there), then I can’t help you.
An iron law of the INTERNET is that people who use the term “logical fallacy” to try and win an argument almost always turn out to be gigantic dunderheads.
And so it is again here.
The Sad thing is when you look at these things we are merely a statistic. I think the average age of death in Ireland is 82. So anybody older than this in the eyes of the decision makers is already dead. It’s horrible I know but that’s the way people look at these things when you are talking about the decisions that influence millions of people. It’s awful but it’s the way the world works.
Hes specifically asking for this, actual evidence om Coronavirus caused deaths.
This cunt 
You can’t help any of those arguing with you mate, the only question is whether their combined IQ is lower than their combined EQ.
Oh dear