No.
Thanks flatty. Can you let me know when they have?
Leave it with me. I may be gone some time.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1065492, member: 2533”]Yes and in the last 13 seasons Kerry have lost 8 times in the knockout stages of Championship football, 6 of those times have been against Ulster sides. Only Dublin have managed this as well.
I’m dismissing them as they are poor sides, in Fermanagh’s case a more recent phenomenon. I’m saying Ulster is ultra competitive as there are 6 really strong counties in it, what have you in the other provinces? Half that at the max. I don’t get why you’re debating this. You surely must see the outlier when you compare Cooper’s performances against the Ulster sides than against the likes of Mayo, Cork, Dublin etc etc. He has always struggled against Ulster teams in relative terms to what he would do against aforementioned teams and that’s always going to be an asterisk against him. That’s not up for debate, that’s a fact.
Do you honestly think Kerry don’t have a huge advantage coming through Munster in comparison to the Ulster counties?
Do you honestly think Kerry would have been as successful as they were if they were playing in the Ulster Championship in that time period?
Do you honestly think Gooch and Kerry haven’t struggled badly against Ulster sides in comparison to how they could steamroll other teams from other provinces?[/QUOTE]
I am glad you have Kerry and Dublin in the same boat in the first paragraph ! cos they are the counties that are winning all Irelands - 3 of the last 4 between them.
who are the 6 ultra competitive counties.? You have dismissed Kerry wins against Cavan, Fermanagh and Antim in your Gooch analysis saying they are shite. You dismissed Kerry’s win against Tyrone in Killarney saying that it didn’t count saying they Tyrone were shot. That’s 4 counties by your own analysis you have dismissed All the other counties Kerry have beaten them last time they played them bar Down.
worse case scenario Kerry get beaten early in ulster and come through the back door to win sam.
Re your last sentence Kerry have a great record v Ulster teams. They play them more than most and have beaten them all in big games bar Down. as for steam rolling other teams from other provinces - haven’t seen Kerry steamroll the dubs lately or Mayo this year either.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1065498, member: 2533”]McDonnell could do it all, kick points off either foot, supreme fielder, mobile, strong as an ox. You could kick any type of ball into him and he could win it, best goalscorer I’ve seen as well.
Houlahan was a great player but I don’t know if I’d put him ahead of any of McDonnell, Marsden, Clarke or McConville.[/QUOTE]
I liked Houlahan I must admit. good man for a goal
[QUOTE=“kerry1891, post: 1065504, member: 1379”]I am glad you have Kerry and Dublin in the same boat in the first paragraph ! cos they are the counties that are winning all Irelands - 3 of the last 4 between them.
who are the 6 ultra competitive counties.? You have dismissed Kerry wins against Cavan, Fermanagh and Antim in your Gooch analysis saying they are shite. You dismissed Kerry’s win against Tyrone in Killarney saying that it didn’t count saying they Tyrone were shot. That’s 4 counties by your own analysis you have dismissed All the other counties Kerry have beaten them last time they played them bar Down.
worse case scenario Kerry get beaten early in ulster and come through the back door to win sam.
Re your last sentence Kerry have a great record v Ulster teams. They play them more than most and have beaten them all in big games bar Down. as for steam rolling other teams from other provinces - haven’t seen Kerry steamroll the dubs lately or Mayo this year either.[/QUOTE]
My point is Kerry have struggled against Ulster counties particularly when you align it with their record against teams from other provinces. That’s not up for debate, that’s a fact.
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I don’t remember when Gooch played against Fermanagh and Antrim but do bring it up if you do. My point is that both are poor teams, I never said Ulster didn’t have any poor teams, but I did say we have an array of good teams which none of the other provinces come close to matching and your record against Ulsters teams relative to that in other provinces proves that.
I think it’s very safe to say that Tyrone had been on the decline for a number of years prior to 2012.
Now how about you address the three questions I posed to you in the last post.
Also Ulster was in a lull 2009-2012. Donegal came along in 2012, just like Armagh in 2002 and Down in 1991 and they brought everyone along with them. There’s that competitiveness in Ulster where there’s never that much between the counties and when they see one county do it, the rest then believe they aren’t far off them thus gaining the belief to raise themselves to that level.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1065509, member: 2533”]My point is Kerry have struggled against Ulster counties particularly when you align it with their record against teams from other provinces. That’s not up for debate, that’s a fact.
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I don’t remember when Gooch played against Fermanagh and Antrim but do bring it up if you do. My point is that both are poor teams, I never said Ulster didn’t have any poor teams, but I did say we have an array of good teams which none of the other provinces come close to matching and your record against Ulsters teams relative to that in other provinces proves that.
I think it’s very safe to say that Tyrone had been on the decline for a number of years prior to 2012.
Now how about you address the three questions I posed to you in the last post.[/QUOTE]
To be frank Il Bomber I feel I have addressed them several times over
I d rather reflect on Kerrys memorable 2014 double at this early hour of the morning. double win over the champs of ulster minor and senior
I see the McKenna cup starts this weekend. I look forward to your reports early next week and your allocation of accolades such as 2015 all stars to some lad that kicks a point or two
Its already been pointed out to you, that only Cooper and Mikey Sheehy have scored goals in four different All Ireland finals. There’s only three players from Ulster, Mick Higgins, Tony Tighe and Phil ‘The Gunner’ Brady who’ve even played in 4 All Ireland football finals yet alone score in 4 All Ireland finals.
Here’s one stat that improves Cooper’s stats. Just looking at my marked up match programme from the 2008 All Ireland Final and Cooper scored 3 of his 6 that day from play. You erroneously said he scored only 2 from play.
Nobody is using Cooper’s performance against Antrim to improve his statistics. They were pulling you up on yet another one of your factual inaccuracies that Kerry did not face Ulster opposition in 2009. For the record, Cooper was coming back from injury for that Antirm game, he didn’t start, came off the bench as a sub and failed to score from play.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1065514, member: 377”]Its already been pointed out to you, that only Cooper and Mikey Sheehy have scored goals in four different All Ireland finals. There’s only three players from Ulster, Mick Higgins, Tony Tighe and Phil ‘The Gunner’ Brady who’ve even played in 4 All Ireland football finals yet alone score in 4 All Ireland finals.
Here’s one stat that improves Cooper’s stats. Just looking at my marked up match programme from the 2008 All Ireland Final and Cooper scored 3 of his 6 that day from play. You erroneously said he scored only 2 from play.
Nobody is using Cooper’s performance against Antrim to improve his statistics. They were pulling you up on yet another one of your factual inaccuracies that Kerry did not face Ulster opposition in 2009. For the record, Cooper was coming back from injury for that Antirm game, he didn’t start, came off the bench as a sub and failed to score from play.[/QUOTE]
Cooper has never managed a goal against an Ulster side in 12 Championship appearances. It’s alright doing it against the likes of Cork and Mayo but not against the boys from Ulster. He is a choker supreme.
[QUOTE=“kerry1891, post: 1065513, member: 1379”]To be frank Il Bomber I feel I have addressed them several times over
I d rather reflect on Kerrys memorable 2014 double at this early hour of the morning. double win over the champs of ulster minor and senior
I see the McKenna cup starts this weekend. I look forward to your reports early next week and your allocation of accolades such as 2015 all stars to some lad that kicks a point or two[/QUOTE]
A quick yes or no answer to each of the questions would be nice.
There’s been a lot of lulls in Ulster football. There was a 46 year lull from 1887 to 1933 before an Ulster county even managed to win an All Ireland. There was another 23 year lull from 1968 to 1991 without au Ulster county winning one, a 12 year lull from 1935-47 and 8 year lull’s between 1952-60 and 1994-2002 in which Ulster failed to win one. That all adds up to over 90 years of lulls.
Jesus Christ go to bed will ye ffs
No wonder he scared the woman off. She was probably a Kerry woman.
And just to recap, Cooper has scored goals in 4 All Ireland finals against non-Ulster opposition, in his 13 Championship appearances he has failed to score a goal against our teams. 3 of them were finals, two were semi-finals and 5 were quarters and Kerry lost 6 of those 10 games. Thanks from further reinforcing my point, Manuel.
I told you that we were busy fighting a war then.
Interesting to examine the goal scoring exploits (or lack of) of some Tyrone players against Kerry and Dublin, the two superpowers of Gaelic Football.
Peter Canavan never scored a championship goal against Dublin.
Proven goalscorers Eoin Mulligan and Stephen O’Neill never scored a championship goal against Kerry or indeed a goal in an All Ireland final.
Presumably using the criteria that you have used to write off Colm Cooper as a choker supreme, Canavan, Mulligan and O’Neill can also be written off as chokers supreme?
@Il Bomber Destro …You’re pissing at the wrong pole. Cooper has been/will be the supreme forward of the past 20 years. Connolly is within touching distance with time on his side.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1065526, member: 377”]Interesting to examine the goal scoring exploits (or lack of) of some Tyrone players against Kerry and Dublin, the two superpowers of Gaelic Football.
Peter Canavan never scored a championship goal against Dublin.
Proven goalscorers Eoin Mulligan and Stephen O’Neill never scored a championship goal against Kerry or indeed a goal in an All Ireland final.
Presumably using the criteria that you have used to write off Colm Cooper as a choker supreme, Canavan, Mulligan and O’Neill can also be written off as chokers supreme?[/QUOTE]
O’Neill was a sub in two All Ireland finals (appeared in three) and ended up as the joint top scorer from play in the 2003 final after coming on as a sub.
Mulligan was a sub (three appearances) in 2008 All Ireland final.
O’Neill also started three of his four appearances against Kerry on the bench, 2003, 2008 and 2012.
Mulligan would have started three of his four appearances, 2008 being on the bench.
How many games did Canavan play against Dublin in the Championship? 1995 for sure, did he play in either of the 2005 games? He was carrying an ankle injury for most of the season if I recall and barely made the semi against Armagh.
Cooper failed to score a goal against Ulster opposition on 13 occassions, 12 of those from the start.
He couldn’t hold a candle to McDonnell. And Canavan is the player Cooper could dream of being, every bit as talented as Cooper, probably more so but he was fearless and had temperament to handle things when the going got tough. The two magical scores Canavan got in the 2005 are a shining example of why he is the greatest. Paddy Bradley was also better than Cooper.