[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1065582, member: 273”]Cork and Mayo are better than most ulster sides on any given year. Cork beat Tyrone at their peak (according to themselves) and both are regularly in semi finals. Cork lost to the eventual winners in most years in recent times.
Donegal are right now the only All Ireland challengers from Ulster. To argue anything else is plain dumb.[/QUOTE]
No, they’re not. Put Monaghan, Down and Derry in Munster or Connacht and they would achieved as much as Cork and Mayo would have in that time, period. Both counties have pretty much a bye to the last 12 every year.
Donegal will be doing very well to win Ulster this year so to say they are the only All Ireland challengers is nonsense. There are only one challenger from each of the other provinces, Ulster have Tyrone, Monaghan and Armagh who are definitely better than anything in the other provinces (outside the contenders).
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1065591, member: 377”]Its amusing that Armagh and Tyrone are seemingly the embodiment of what is not a choker in gaelic football and that’s why Kerry should be judged so harshly for losing All Ireland finals to them. Armagh have an awful record in All Ireland finals. They’ve lost 3 of the 4 All Ireland finals they’ve played in, a winning rate of just 25%. That’s a strike rate that’s worse than Galway’s 13 losses from 22 or Cork’s 17 losses from 24. Outside of their All Ireland winning year of 2002, Armagh’s team of 1999-2005 were a team that invariably lost any game that went down to the wire and often by just one point.
Tyrone blew it in their first two All Ireland finals in 1986 and 1995, the 15 point second half turnaround in 1986 from Tyrone going 7 ahead (when Kevin McCabe hadn’t the balls to go for a knock out blow and tapped a penalty over the bar) to ultimately losing by 8 is the biggest ever 2nd half collapse in an All Ireland. It was a lucky break for Tyrone they had Armagh in the 2003 final to allow them to finally fall over the line and break their duck.
A hiding in an All Ireland might just have something to do with the winning side being very very good. An exceptional Kerry team really turned on the style to beat Mayo by 8 points in 2004 and 13 in 2006. Outside of those two defeats, Mayo’s All Ireland final defeats in the last 25 years have all been in tight games - lost by 3 to Cork in 1989, lost by 1 to Meath after a replay in 1996, lost to 3 to Kerry in 1997, lost to Donegal by 4 in 2012 and to Dublin by 1 in 2013.
In the 1970’s, the great Kerry team hammered Dublin in 3 All Ireland finals - in 1975 by 7 points, by 17 points in 1978 and by 11 points in 1979. Outside of those defeats, Dublin’s losses in 130 odd years of All Ireland finals have never been by more than 4 points (save for the 5 point loss to Kerry again in the 1984 final). Its very seldom about choking. Usually the better team just wins and if its a very good or a great team, they can win well.[/QUOTE]
You keep having to jump back to a timeframe that is not being discussed, please keep your points on topic.
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1065656, member: 2533”]As I mentioned earlier Ulster was in in a lull from 09-12.
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Interesting though that Ulster still has 4 players to Munster’s 3 in Shannon’s team.
I understood this to be a thread to pay tribute to GAA players as they retired? The latest attack that Bomber has initiated on a player who is still active, Colm Cooper is completely off topic.
Bomber’s bullshit can be distilled down to two points.
Point 1 - Ulster notwithstanding the fact that Ulster counties have won only 17 of the 127 All Ireland titles that have been played for (as against 50 for Munster counties and 46 for Leinster) is the pre-eminent force in gaelic football.
Point 2 - In those 127 years, the first 115 up to 2002 were utter sh*t and are undeserving of mention. Suddenly a golden era erupted from 2002-2008, Since 2008, standards have plummeted again and anything post 2008 is undeserving of mention. Presumably we’re now waiting on the re-emergence of Armagh/Tyrone in 50 years time or whenever it happens next for standards to pick up again and the next golden age of football.
[QUOTE=“Manuel Zelaya, post: 1065680, member: 377”]I understood this to be a thread to pay tribute to GAA players as they retired? The latest attack that Bomber has initiated on a player who is still active, Colm Cooper is completely off topic.
Bomber’s bullshit can be distilled down to two points.
Point 1 - Ulster notwithstanding the fact that Ulster counties have won only 17 of the 127 All Ireland titles that have been played for (as against 50 for Munster counties and 46 for Leinster) is the pre-eminent force in gaelic football.
Point 2 - In those 127 years, the first 115 up to 2002 were utter sh*t and are undeserving of mention. Suddenly a golden era erupted from 2002-2008, Since 2008, standards have plummeted again and anything post 2008 is undeserving of mention. Presumably we’re now waiting on the re-emergence of Armagh/Tyrone in 50 years time or whenever it happens next for standards to pick up again and the next golden age of football.[/QUOTE]
Very unfair on the Cavan teams of the 30’s late 40’s and early 50’s and Down team of the 60’s
[QUOTE=“Il Bomber Destro, post: 1065656, member: 2533”]As I mentioned earlier Ulster was in in a lull from 09-12.
Dessie Mone should be a cert in that team though.[/QUOTE]
Ahead of Keegan and McCarthy?
Fuck off. They’d both eat him alive. A good big beats a good small man every time. They both possess everything he has but are bigger, more powerful and quicker.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1065692, member: 273”]Ahead of Keegan and McCarthy?
Fuck off. They’d both eat him alive. A good big beats a good small man every time. They both possess everything he has but are bigger, more powerful and quicker.[/QUOTE]
He has in fairness, he has probably been as good as he is capable of which is the highest praise someone can get. The same can be said about several players at any level
However that does not make him as good as the other two.
[QUOTE=“caoimhaoin, post: 1065702, member: 273”]He has in fairness, he has probably been as good as he is capable of which is the highest praise someone can get. The same can be said about several players at any level
However that does not make him as good as the other two.[/QUOTE]
I think Mone is a fine player when he concentrates on playing, as opposed to his hard man antics.
Says the lad who thinks Dessie Moan is better than James McCarthy. You fucking tool.
Shields is more athletic than Gormley. But of course for the majority of their careers they were in completely different positions, so the comparison/complaint is what’s retarded.