Ross County v Celtic

I think the away support has generally been excellent in knowing when a song/custom has reached its expiry date (reference Just Canā€™t Get Enough etc etc). I believe that the do do do do do do dance has reached that stage. TBH Iā€™ve never been all that comfortable with the swinging arm bit - I can tell it doesnā€™t come naturally to Joe Hart too. If you look at this full clip below, it kinda gets in the way of Everywhere We Go & the place erupts again once EWG resumes. This is a crucial matter that needs to be debated by the wider support.

Did Last Christmas get an airing at the end last night?

Oxymoron alert

I heard it at 1-0 in the first half but not sure at the end. Look at Ange giving it socks at the end of the clip there.

Imagine the buzz for the support coming down the A9 last night before the late night res bar pints and flights back to Ireland this morning.

Oh oh oh oh
Everywhere we goā€¦

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Did you watch the game?

There could have been 10 minutes injury time without any genuine complaints.

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What?

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The Scotsman are trying to balance out what seemed to be a fairly controversial refereeing performance.
He could easily have missed the elbow. Booking starfeldt for complaining was bizarre. He then went on to not book a Ross county player for a very similar challenge to the one he dismissed starfeldt for (which was a yellow imo), and bottled the penalty decision.

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Starfelt comes down from an aerial challenge with his nose pumping blood and the ref FLASHES a yellow when he shouts over at him and makes elbow motions. His nose was still bleeding at the end of the game, he was standing down in the corner Celtic were attacking by the tunnel after he was sent off with a handful of tissues up against his face. :joy:

I said on the match thread that there was over a 3 minute stoppage for cleaning up Starfelt alone, not to match both sides bringing on their subs and other shorter stoppages for knocks.

Whatā€™s the rule of thumb per injury time?

Iā€™d imagine the standard is

30 secs per substitution (x5)
30 secs per goal (x1 - Ignoring the Celtic one in injury time)
30 sec per yellow/red card (x5 - Starfelt)
Any big stoppage is added back in totality (3 mins)
And probably 1-2 mins or so extra for discretionary stoppages/time wasting/free kicks/fouls etc

Thatā€™s around 10 minutes injury time that should have been awarded.

I reckon the starfeldt stoppage was nearer 5 mins.
The only thing is, for all we know, starfeldt could have called the ref a fat cunt (not unreasonably). I doubt the yellow was for complaining politely, nonetheless, any reasonable person would not have shown a second yellow, but issued a stern warning.
In any case in truth, there is a far far higher than even chance we wouldnā€™t have won had starfeldt remained on the pitch.

A reasonable ref would be embarrassed if he saw a guys face streaming with blood after he played out without calling a foul or stopping play and would probably take whatever abuse he gets.

Depends on the abuse. Itā€™s not that easy in the heat of the moment, but a second yellow was really unforgivable.
Having had my well documented trials with refereeing, Iā€™d have to say that keeping a lid on personal abuse is imperative.
It just depends on what was said, which we donā€™t know.

I tend to agree. I did the Do Do Do dance in my living room after a game once and my coordination was all over the place. I havenā€™t had the confidence to try it again.

Time to bin it.

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But sometimes players have every right to give it to referees when their decision making was shocking.

If I was Celtic manager, knowing Scottish referees are like. Iā€™d have my players up in front of the referees at every turn, Iā€™d give to the referees after every performance like last night, Iā€™d have the club issuing statements about the bias in officiating after every controversial decision.

Otherwise itā€™s normalised, over 100 years of institutional bias in Scottish football and itā€™s still there because Celtic have be too happy to go with the flow and accept these decisions. For me thatā€™s why you need a manager to be strong on this front - that was one thing brilliant about MON when he came in - he wasnā€™t going to take it from the Scottish referees - when they got up to their old tricks he called them out on it full blooded.

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The Board need to come out and call out the bias, the dick referee (surname surname) advisor was all over the marginal offside vs Hearts yet is like a mouse when bad decisions go against Celtic weekly

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Yeah I think the ref is clearly supposed to stop the play when thereā€™s a head injury even if he missed the elbow. So heā€™s basically not only saying it wasnā€™t a foul, he was implicitly accusing Starfelt of feigning injury too

It isnā€™t so much the anti Celtic thing, as the pro sevco thing that vexes me. I wouldnā€™t mind, but sevco despise the SFA

Itā€™s the anti-Celtic thing that annoys me.

You look across every big league in Europe. Big teams generally get the rub of the green when it comes to decisions.

You look at Celtic in contrast. What other big team gets a penalty like Aberdeen did against Celtic on their home patch to level the game. This is the norm, controversial decisions generally going against the big team at every turn. Thatā€™s the inverse of what is the normal logic.

Ya - it accounts for Celticā€™s barren trophy haul over the last decade

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Iā€™m only going by the telly so Iā€™m not in a position to judge, but it is possible he wasnā€™t aware of the head injury til afterwards. I can only presume that is the case. Look I thought he had a poor enough game, but we squeaked it. Hugh Dallas would have blown up full time before the goal no doubt.
And youā€™re probably right. Itā€™s just impossible really to know what he had seen and registered. I was watching it rapt on the telly, and wasnā€™t aware of the elbow or injury until the ball went dead is all Iā€™m saying.
I think two yellows was wrong, either the first or the second, and it looked a penalty at the end, though Iā€™d like to see it again, but he didnā€™t produce a Dallas masterclass of careful critical bias I thought.
I wasnā€™t purple in the face like that UUCOAM used to leave me.