Roy Keanes recent signing

Sticking To Your Guns
As reported by The Sun back in 2005:

‘Roy Keane has slammed five Manchester United team-mates on MUTV as not good enough. The United skipper tore into Alan Smith, John O’Shea, Kieran Richardson, Liam Miller and Darren Fletcher in a TV interview - which was blocked from being shown by boss Alex Ferguson.’

As reported by the Daily Mirror back in 2005:

‘Keane did not hold back with his withering criticism of Richardson, who gave away a penalty against Middlesbrough, and is alleged to have slammed the young England star’s approach.’

For more details about what prompted the criticism, here’s the Sunday Times:

‘…a moment in the changing room at Carrington after Kieran Richardson told his teammates about ordering a Bentley Continental. Keane, it is said, heard the young player talk of his new car and related it to the 4-1 thrashing suffered by the team at the Riverside two days before.’

“It seems this club pays players to play badly,” ranted Keane at the time.

Following today’s Daily Mirror report that ‘ROY KEANE is going back to Manchester United to sign winger Kieran Richardson for Sunderland in a 5.5million deal. And the big-spending Black Cats boss is also offering England wide boy Richardson 35,000 a week to talk him into joining his Premiership campaign,’ Mediawatch would like to say it’s good to see Sunderland will adopt a similar philosophy.

Richardson is a talented player no doubt buy no way worth the money Sunderland paid for him. A great deal for United and can use the money to get a top quality player like Tevez. I will be watching later this morning the first United preseason game against Urawa Reds to see how Nani and Hargreaves perform.

Richarson and Chopra are both clearly over-priced. Sunderland need more than journeymen to make an impression in the EPL.

One thing United have always done well is get money in for players that simply aren’t good enough: Wilson, Greening, Gillespie, Chadwick, Richarson… they’re overpriced because they’re subs for United. The reality is they could be subs most other clubs too and valued at half what they’ve left United for.

2.2 draw in the end. United started the 2nd half well with goals from Fletcher and Ronaldo after falling behind to a goal which in my view was a bad error by Van Der Sar. Misjudged the flight of the ball to concede from 30 yards. Evans was done by a good move from them for Ono to score. Entertaining stuff for preseason.

I was discussing Keane’s signings offline with clarkeycat (apologies to the rest of the online community here for excluding you) and neither of us can understand how incredibly shortsighted he’s been/being.

He appears only to be going for players he played with at Celtic (Varga and Wallace, also linked with Balde and bid unsuccessfully for Pearson who went to Derby), players he played for at / knew from Manchester United (last season’s loanees Evans and Simpson, Miller, Yorke and now Richardson), Irish players (Kavanagh, Stokes, Connolly) and players he came up against in the Championship last season (Chopra, Halford, Etuhu).

He keeps mentioning players’ characters being most important when he’s signing them but he’s publicly ridiculed Richardson in the past and the likes of Yorke, Miller and Etuhu are hardly prime examples of players with wonderful virtues so basically he’s talking a load of scheidt.

You’d think with all his experience in the game he might actually try to sign players from outwith the tiny area he’s concentrating on at the moment.

Christ, there’s a whole world of football out there but you wouldn’t know it by Roy’s signings.

And as has been said it’s not as if he’s getting value either - he’s paying over the odds for mediocre players.

strange that in his personal life he values money ahead of principles but in a professional manner he has no problem splashing the cash

It’s also gas that as per Flano’s post which started this thread, he tore into five players. He’s signed two of them, Richardson and Miller, and been linked to Smith. It shows Keane up as the hypocrite he is imo.

While not wishing to lose the run of myself here I hope Sunderland get relegated and Keane has a stroke during the season.

Yeah can’t disagree with any of that criticism.

It’s a bit like Martin O’Neill who only ever signed players who were well-known to him. The difference is that O’Neill didn’t lambast these guys before and he didn’t sign the players who had let him down. Keane is being exceptionally narrow in his pursuit of players and it’s costing Sunderland way over the odds.

For the record I don’t think Sunderland will get relegated.

Neither do I - wouldn’t mind if they did though.

I saw Kirean Richardson saying Champions league the goal. Then he backtracks and goes just “Europe” and claims I have my medals winning the League, Carling Cup and Community Shield. Not a big time charley at all.

9m for Craig Gordon now. Crazy. Should’ve picked up David Marshall.

Yeah it’s 5m plus 1m for every season Sunderland stay in the EPL. Silly money. As I said on the other thread he’s a decent keeper on his day but he has some bad days and they’re all on big days - like when Celtic come to town.

If he knew he needed a keeper he should have gone for Fabianski before Arsenal did.

9 million for Gordon is way OTT imo. Seems to have similar traits to O’Neill all right in going for familiarity. Still think he is an excellent manager and I suspect Sunderland will do well in the EPL. There are an awful lot a lot of poor teams in it and Sunderland could do well.

Perhaps it’s time to revist this thread in the wake of Sunderland getting played off the park for 80 minutes at home to Fulham yesterday.

As far as I can see only this Kenwyne Jones character has proven to be a success in terms of the signings he made over the summer. I had never really seen him and scoffed at the Stg6m fee but having watched him play upfront on his own at Arsenal and West Ham in recent weeks, he looks like an excellent footballer.

Craig Gordon has made some fine saves but equally has been beaten by a number of shots from outside the box too - like yesterday - but overall he’s been good without being an outstanding success.

Other guys like Halford, Higginbotham, Etuhu etc look as hapless as most of us thought they’d be.

It’ll be interesting to revisit this again at Christmas but I fear all those gimps who began supporting Sunderland last March or April when they went on that run might be buying some other team’s kit for themselves this holiday season.

one thing in keanes favour is that there are so many shit teams in the bottom half of that league

I’m off to laugh at Keane’s useless signings in the Tyne/Wear derby against Big Long Ball Sam’s Toon Army.

I’ll be back later on to post about a probable 4-4 classic full of sublime football.

is that a real derby?

also up till recently all people from the north east of england were termed geordies- only recently that changed - good way to piss off a mackem is to call him a georide which is correct according to some definitions

Couldn’t care less about the Tyne and Wear derby but you should stick to facts Raven.

A rivalry with roots in kings and coal

Richard Stonehouse traces a great enmity between fans that predates football Sunday October 23, 2005
The Observer

At 1.30 this afternoon, about one million people in Tyne and Wear and an additional million more from the North-East’s diaspora, will watch and listen to what they consider to be the most important match of the season. Yet, to the rest of the watching world, the outcome will be observed with indifference.The Tyne-Wear derby may be perceived by the uninitiated as parochial and unsophisticated, but like the world’s greatest derbies it has a historical conflict as its bedrock. And if anything, as a basis for a rivalry, the Sunderland-Newcastle derby is the most legitimate conflict anywhere.

Some of the great derbies are based on issues that are trite and irrational. The historical class difference, for example, between the Milan clubs - Milan traditionally unionist and working-class, Inter upper-class and conservative - is now moot, given the chairmanship of the right-wing Silvio Berlusconi at Milan. Their historical reason for difference has dissipated, as it arguably has for Juventus-Torino, Real Madrid-Atletico, and Panathinaikos-Olympiakos.

The Celtic-Rangers rivalry has been written about extensively, and needs no elaboration. Other than to say that if football can act as a metaphor for international and jingoistic warfare, then the Old Firm is the most articulate. But the Tyne-Wear derby wins in its secular and concise regional conflict.
It does, after all, predate football by 226 years. It is a conflict that has divided two cities, 12 miles apart, for more than three centuries.

In the epoch before the 1600s, King Charles I had consistently awarded the East of England Coal Trade Rights (try to contain your excitement) to Newcastle’s traders, which rendered the Wearside coal merchants redundant. People died because of it. Coal and ships were Sunderland’s raison d’etre.
But when, in 1642, the English Civil War started, and Newcastle, with good reason, supported the Crown, Sunderland, because of the trading inequalities, sided with Cromwell’s Parliamentarians, and the division began.

It became a conflict between Sunderland’s socialist republicanism, against Newcastle’s loyalist self-interest. A purposeful enmity if ever there was one. Unlike rivalries between other clubs, the differences between Newcastle and Sunderland date back to fighting based on the necessity to live and feed one’s children, and benefit one’s city.

The political differences between the two culminated with the battle of Boldon Hill. A loyalist army from Newcastle and County Durham gathered to fight an anti-monarchist Sunderland and Scottish army at a field equidistant between the two towns.

The joint Scottish and Sunderland army won - and Newcastle was colonised by the Scottish. It was subsequently used as a Republican military base for the rest of war.

And while this is a lucid basis for two cities hating each other, it has, like every other modern-day derby, developed profoundly irrational manifestations.

It has been noted that some Newcastle fans refuse to buy bacon, because of its ‘red-and-white appearance’ - the pinnacle, regardless of any jovial flippancy, of irrational behaviour. Likewise the past Mackem boycott of a particular breakfast cereal, because of the Newcastle-orientated marketing of its brand, is silly beyond words. However, these are benign occurrences.

In March 2000, more than 70 Sunderland and Newcastle hooligans took part in some of the worst football-related violence ever seen in Britain. It was not even a match day. What the police called ‘usually respectable men and fathers’ had decided to meet in mutual territory with their enemies, to fight with knives, bats and bricks.

Sunderland fans boarded a ferry towards Tyneside, found the awaiting ‘army’, and fought. One man was left permanently brain-damaged. Dozens of people were arrested, and years upon years of prison-time was sentenced.

The continuation of tension involves a new sense of injustice. For well over a decade, Sunderland’s population has bemoaned that they have been paying their local taxes to finance both the Newcastle Metro and airport.

A perceived bias towards Tyneside in the regional and national media further compounds a feeling of inequality. It seems that history is repeating itself for the people of Sunderland, albeit in a less livelihood-threatening sort of way. Perhaps a more trivial, city-image sort of way.
But this makes little sense. Let’s just hope that despite the hijacking of the game by the corporate class, and the working-class ostracising that comes with it, there remain terraces from which Mackems and Geordies can vent their invariably abusive opinions of each other without violence and civil war.

Why Mackems and Geordies?

The derivations are uncertain, but both have theories based in historical political allegiances. ‘Geordie’ because of Tyneside’s staunch support of the Hanoverian King George II during the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion - ‘Geordie’ is a common diminutive of ‘George’; and Mackem because of Wearside’s accommodation of the Scottish ‘Blue Mac’ army during the civil war.

It is more likely, however, that the origins stem from aspects of the shipbuilding and coalmining industries. The Tyneside coalminers preferred George Stephenson’s ‘Geordie’ safety lamp over the more widely used Humphry Davy lamp. And it has been accepted almost universally that Mackem is derived from the phrase Mak(e)'em and Tak(e)'em, coined by Tyneside shipbuilders to insult their counterparts on the River Wear, who would build the ships and have them taken away by the richer classes.