Exactly. I think your prejudice rules out any sort of rational debate.
I’m believing Olding to be honest, for the most part. Still think he’s covering for Jackson re the sex and the girl beckoning him - doesn’t seem realistic. But the rest of it seems like the girl felt overwhelmed by his presence and had no choice, but Olding didn’t cop he was doing anything wrong. He’s coming across as honest enough in this I have to say. Not portraying himself in any holier than thou light - creepy yes - but not with malicious intent. Then again, prosecution to come.
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You do realise people look thru different lenses.
To their story seems way way more believable and likely.
Hers sounds more like a movie. And her language similar. This stuck out to me from day 1.
At least the lads here creeped out by 2 lads banging a bird can see at least they were a bit uncomfortable and embarrassed. Good chance if they thought about it that oldish would not do it. But to “be a hero” or “one of the lads” he ploughed on.
Great example of the miscommunication of porn and how lads talk some amount of shit these days but do not really realise what’s involved.
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Consent aside - Jackson was hard to believe re not having sex with her and the bj when Olding came in, the manner in which she left the hosue all calm - definitely knows there’s more to that than he let on and the no discussion the next day re the allegations. He came across well enough I think - but there are still parts that make no sense.
If he was raping her would he tell her he was about to cum/come presumably so as not to come/cum in her mouth ?
Yes I am aware some people look through things with different lenses. I’m sure a KKK member would look through the racially motivated murder of a black person in a certain way and disregard rational thoughts to justify it.
He says he says that - we don’t know he did. I don’t think I argued with this point?
How much alcohol had Olding consumed at this stage? I think it was mentioned previously.
20 drinks - 33 units
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Great post.
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No wonder he can’t remember Rory Harrison being in the taxi, that’s some amount of booze
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well well well , look at what the cat has dragged in
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He can however remember a where a woman placed her hands as she blew him.
Nobodys telling the truth here, because nobody remembers what went on in that room.
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We do have a sober independent witness.
Who saw fuck all.
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She 100% saw Jackson having sex with the girl.
She saw no rape too but you will disregard that part.
Before or after her line of coke
She saw no signs of positive consent either. Her account ties in with the victims and refutes that of the defendants, emphatically. That is very important.
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