The bit about the police is classic norn iron judiciary. I don’t think a jury could overlook the police investigation when even the police admitted their own behaviour wasn’t normal, especially when it manifested itself in the complainant’s final statement
Maybe… but if they think the lads did it but felt they couldn’t convict due to police evidence, inconsistencies in her story and the vaginal rape thing… well, now they don’t have to heed those points either.
The judge’s charge is so interesting. Can they advise a jury to acquit or overturn a jury if the verdict is guilty? In any case, not specifically just this one.
I’m fairly sure the jury can do whatever they want, that’s why they’re there. The diplock courts provided plenty of examples of judges acting with blatant bias etc.
The judge can give directions and make requests but it only takes a few strong minded members to stand up to them.
Not sure…
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Judge finishing her charge this morning. Finishing on a high for the defence in terms of saying they can take into account evidence of good character
I find it very hard to foresee a situation where Jackson is convicted of either or both charges, and Olding is not convicted on his charge.
Logic dictates that if Jackson is convicted, Olding must be too.
But Olding is not necessarily in the clear if Jackson gets off.
The feeling I believe is its not looking good for the lads.
Sentiment seems to have swung.
Age profile of jury may be significant (apparently, I have no idea of age profile)
I’ve garnered everything I know from skim reading this thread.
I haven’t a clue what went on in the bedroom.
On that basis, I’d have to say I couldn’t be certain beyond reasonable doubt.
“The feeling”.
Only an idiot would predict the jury’s verdict in this case with any certainty.
Check out @FrankGreaney’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/FrankGreaney/status/978576993917784064?s=09
I don’t know what to make of this ; consequences regarding how her evidence is viewed or consequences for her if a not guilty verdict is reached. If it’s the latter all Smyth will have done is make it more difficult for the jury to reject her testimony
Yeah - does this mean she could be charged if the jury think she deliberately lied?
8 men, 3 women. Men mostly middle age, golf club looking types.
Strange to introduce the idea at this stage, if that’s the case
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They’ll be wanting back to the course then
I would doubt they could… unless it is proven she lied and I’m unsure how they would do that. Weird comment for judge to make…
How do you know this…? Not being smart, legit just curious. Men more likely to convict in rape cases statistically.
Read the next tweet down. I think the judge is convinced of guilt here.
Sorry, I’m lost - the one about extreme caution with her evidence? Do you think the judge thinks the lads are guilty or the girl is guilty of deliberately lying?
The next tweet down finishes the judges paragraph which seems far more supportive of the girl Imo.
One by someone called lexi Doyle.
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She does seem to be supporting the girl’s account, from what I can see in the directions anyway. I think she has also been very fair to the men, and media invasion and publicity aside, they have gotten a fair trial. The judge is balanced and has given clear instructions that nobody can really argue with.
Impossible to foresee how it’s going to turn out - I think general gut instinct about who’s telling the truth after seeing them in person could tip the jury. If they are allowed consider all the testimonies as evidence…gut feeling/instinct isn’t enough on its own of course but if the rest of the evidence backs her account/their account…how things read are likely very different as to how they are presented in court.
A unanimous verdict of guilty though…seems nearly impossible…
As a starting point. If they cant conclude unanimously she can redirect AFAIK to accept majority
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