So if Vlad invaded Ireland you’d not want anything done as we aren’t in NATO then?
I’m not.
I just think there’s no justification of it when we sit back idly and allow muslims to be used as cannon fodder for Western control and influence.
If Russian tanks rolled down O’Connell Street several lads here would be throwing flowers at them and bending over and baring their arseholes.
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So, if the west developed a conscience regarding Palestine overnight, you’d then support a strike on the Russian convoy?
Yep. Palestine and Yemen have been suffering horrors of war long before Ukraine and to a greater extent so once we take care of Israel and the Sauds then we can focus on Russia.
Of course the “Free World” doesn’t really care about the subjects of war, it doesn’t really care about genocide and war crimes. They only care about control and influence, it has armed the Saudi state with $22bn of weapons.
Noriega, Pinochet, Saddam, Bin Laden - they have no problems empowering these psychos as long as they act with a common interest.
Fluvio is one of these tankie simpletons who just push whatever Russian narrative is out there.
The current Russian narrative is to divide support for Ukraine by pointing “but Palestine”.
The treatment of Palestine is shameful. What has happened to Ukraine is shameful. The treatment of Ukraine threatens World War III.
Any person truly concerned about how Palestine has been treated by Israel and the west would look at Ukraine in total support, as the line in the sand where the shameful treatment of all oppressed peoples can no longer be tolerated.
Ukraine has to be the line in the sand that says Palestine can no longer be oppressed either.
As it goes for Ukraine, so it must go for Palestine, the Rohingya, the Kurds and so on.
Fluvio does not bring up Palestine for any noble reason. He brings it up to spread the Russian narrative of divide and conquer, because he supports Putin and supports Russian imperialism.
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Anyone who is truly concerned about the Ukraine should look at how the “Free World” supports what happens in Yemen and Palestine and judge their viewpoints as completely insincere.
What is happening in Ukraine is grotesque, but let’s not kid ourselves the West care about democracy or the lives of those who are in danger, it’s about Russophobia for them. They are happy to arm and support their allies committing genocide across the world so we know there is no conscience there, if you align yourself with The West you should be first of all calling out their war crimes before pointing the finger elsewhere.
What’s your issue here? I don’t disagree.
How do you suggest to compromise with Putin?
If we are on the path to casual Russian mass murder - ie. genocide - and you now admit we are - what do you propose be done about it?
What do you propose be done about the perpetrators - Russia?
Bear in mind that when I said 200k NATO troops should be in Ukraine to prevent this war starting - you called me a warmonger.
Make a commitment to reign NATO in.
I don’t use Twitter or read it if I can help it. My point to you all along is that anything that escalates conflict should be avoided. You continually advocate for escalation and today you argued in favour of full open war between all of NATO and Russia. That’s extremely dumb and doesn’t suggest you care much for human life. I agree Putin is bad and what he’s doing is bad and wrong and should be stopped. I think your suggestions to stop him are childish peurile nonsense that would only make things worse.
Mass murder does not equal genocide. You shouldn’t conflate the two.
But you did not understand that appeasing Putin was exactly what escalated things.
There is a war, because we did not stand up to Putin - as you wanted.
You either win the war or you lose the war.
If never again is to mean anything, the west must fight now. Otherwise, it means nothing and never meant anything.
Simon Coveney urging people to take in Ukrainian refugees. An admirable move, but I wonder will he host a few himself though? Surely lots of space in Leo and Matt’s swanky abode too.
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What is your numerical figure where mass murder becomes genocide? Was 8,000 dead Muslims in Srebrenica a genocide? How many Ukrainians have to die in this war before you call it a genocide?
If Putin and Lavrov do not want genocide, why have they called for the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine? Why have they said a Ukrainian state and a Ukrainian people have no right to exist?
That is a charter for genocide.
At least a million people died of starvation in Ireland in the famine and you refuse to call it a genocide.
By your logic a million dead is not a genocide.
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Yet those who align themselves with Free World operate different standards for Western allied countries committing genocide in the middle east for decades than with Russia.
How disingenuous.
The famine in Ireland wasn’t a genocide. No serious historical scholar says it was. The famine in Ukraine probably was. Serious historical scholars say it was.
The difference is in the aim of the regime.
Nothing to see here.