The fragrant Suzie with an apt lesson today
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Where’s poor Fluvio today?
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Lads try and complicate it for obvious reasons but it is that simple.
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and people wonder why @padjo is my go to guy around here
his succinct no frills straight to the point analysis is second to none
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padjo:
Just for clarity, lads
padjo:
Lads, it’s pretty simple, if the Russian’s invade (which it looks like they will), then they are the bad guys
Fuck me lads, but there’s no one on here like Padjo for clarity of thought.
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I was getting fierce abuse on the Covid thread and was beginning to doubt myself until @padjo gave one of my posts a like. It gave me the conviction I needed to see it through.
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Ralphie
March 14, 2022, 10:59am
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Clare Byrne talking about possible bread shortage
60 per cent of EU animal feed comes from Ukraine.
Oirish farming has been badly exposed by all of this
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You wish. What are these obvious reasons btw?
Locke
March 14, 2022, 11:19am
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She’ll do anything to raise fear the minds of the Irish people.
Thomas_Brady:
What’s happening to the poor innocent people of Ukraine is sick and my heart goes out to them.
The narrative being spun here tho that the Ukrainian leadership/elites are the bastion of democratic free Europe is beyond ludicrous.
The far right and neo nazis have had a huge foothold in Ukrainian society, running around unchallenged by police or politicians. There’s some links to suggest Zelensky was profiting from these Nazis groups with accusations that his off shore accounts received payments from far right protagonists.
The fact that Zelensky appears in the pandora papers is worrying enough and despite his anti corruption talk for the last few years he was clearly up to his bollix in no good. The anti corruption chatter and him overturning the Ukrainian court to re-enforce anticorruption laws that were found unconstitutional, was of course solely to get US money via the IMF… The fact that there’s tonnes of evidence linking the Ukrainian far right paramilitaries to the US also makes for a nice square circle.
Ukraine has consistently been ranked at the bottom of the corruption scale, has oligarchs with hands in pies everywhere and has swapped Russian money for US money with the added imposition of austerity for good measure and the loss of many national resources… Hunter Biden says hello also
The US’ hands are all over this … They’ve played on Ukrainian greed and corruption and fear and goaded Russia into destroying itself and the cost of ordinary Ukrainians. The US has been pushing the Ukraine towards the west bit by bit since 2004 and this was after they convinced Ukraine to give up it’s nuclear weapons and that in return they and others would protect their border. Zelensky has himself been an autocrat and the endless US backing has only emboldened him …he has walked Ukraine right into this slaughter. At the end of the day Ukraine has continually failed EU membership assessment / standards for a reason, it’s corrupt as fuck and no where near an open democracy… It’s the far right holy land of Europe.
It’s an awful mess. 2 million displaced, thousands dead and poor Russian kids in that too. All because the US want to fuck Russia and the sociopath who runs Russia is more than willing to oblige.
The deranged lunatic on here will keep spinning his yarn about democracy tho… Because all he wants is a cause, he’s not interested in the consequences or who dies as a result.
A lot of sense talked there. Operative sentence: “It’s an awful mess.”
Still doesn’t excuse Putins actions
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Cheasty
March 14, 2022, 12:07pm
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I didn’t see much if any sense in that diatribe by the newly returned “do ur own resertch” chap.
It was Putinist whimsy, deflection and weasel words.
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Ukraine doing its own thing. You know, being a Sovereign country.
It seems to bother you that they didn’t just bow to their Russian neighbours.
But, you seem bothered about NATO encroachment in Eastern Europe?
Bit hypocritical considering Russia causing plenty of issues throughout the world under Putins watch too but that seems okay for you.
You can hark back to the US not helping Russian out when the Soviet Union collapsed but Putin seems to have done okay for himself in the intervening years whilst vast percentage his population sees little of this bounce.
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Cheasty
March 14, 2022, 12:19pm
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There is no such thing as “NATO encroachment” on eastern Europe. NATO is a voluntary alliance. A country cannot be forced to join it.
None of this is about NATO or ever was.
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