Russia Vs Ukraine (Part 2) - Neocons Strike Back

They should get all the leaders of the West in the room together with Putin and if he really really promises that he won’t invade anywhere else they should agree to let go of Eastern Ukraine.

Then Rushi Sunak can come home waving the document promising peace in our time, I’d imagine that would be that then.

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I see the 8% of warmongerers here are woke civil servants and a lifelong middle class unemployed social welfare recipient.

No chance of these lads going out on the frontline anyway. They will dictate for people to die needlessly from the comforts of their own homes.

The brass neck of these lads to pretend they have morals as they remain silent on the West sponsored tyrannical regimes of Israel and Saudi Arabia. Would it be fair to say there is a heavy deal of far right islamaphobia to the Western warmongers? Are the Palestinian and Yemenese the wrong skin colour for them to call out the West’s facilitation of war crimes?

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“Mr. Burns, I think we can trust the president of Russia.”

Far right Fulvio hates the “woke” and social welfare recipients. :grin:

Ah yes. The racists engage on declaring lifelong left wing socialists like myself as the far right.

Trump tactics as usual from the right wing capitalists.

That’s a good article, a few of our resident headbangers should read it. Although then they’d probably want to be part of Russian society.

If you are so hardcore for war, take your little self off to Ukraine and put your life on the line. I suppose as long as it is young working class men who will die what do you care?

Mad that Fulvio the Fascist (FtF) can’t answer a simple question.

That’s a pretty odd post in fairness to you.

It’s grounded in facts.

8% of people don’t want the a ceasefire and negotiations, you’re one of that 8%.
You’re the one angling for a ramp in the military end of it and a military solution.
This will bring deaths to thousands of young working class males who are the biggest casualty of life in this conflict.

This is all what you want.

What I’d like to see:
A peaceful settlement in the Ukraine first and foremost that allows it function as truly independent and democratic state
Secondly that Russian perpetrators are brought to justice
Thirdly that NATO have their wings clipped and that those Western powers who interfere in and destabilise democracies will be held accountable.

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It’s not that odd… You support the ongoing war, would you not go and offer your services to Ukraine?

Chaps, the question is there. It’s a very simple question that only has two possible answers, Yes or No. Yis should answer it.

Who reneged on the minsk agreements, who ended peace negotiations last april, who said the minsk agreements were just a stalling tactic?

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The question was actually about a ceasefire and negotiated settlement but you have deflected away from that.

It’s “Ukraine”, not “the Ukraine”. Russia calls it “the Ukraine” because they don’t recognise it as a country, rather its a region or a province of Russia. It’s a shame to see you buying into the russian propaganda.

The Ukraine and their allies

So you won’t answer the question about whether the Soviets should have sued for peace with the Nazis when the Nazis were at the gates of Moscow and Stalingrad.

You describe yourself as a socialist.

I think you forgot the word “national” when describing yourself.

Putin, Putin, and Ukraine and the west, respectively.

It’s a good thing the 2014 “treaty” bought Ukraine the time to build up its army, isn’t it?

More deflection tactics. You are a very pompous, entitled little middle class child. You regularly show your contempt for the working class on here, who cares if its them that dies in your eyes?

You don’t dare address the point I made above, you would rather have millions continue to die and be displaced as long as the war criminals you side with beat the lard out of the war criminals you despise - in the end it will be the Ukrainian people who will suffer and that’s far enough of comfort away from you.

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Headbangers, reading, yeah right.